Rinseless Washes - 2022

[opie2]

Opie, Chilly was pretty unimpressed with Hero's cleaning ability. I've only used my Idrosave once or twice, and I don't have Hero. Just as an off-hand comment, the ADS people aren't fans of rinseless washing, which makes them an odd vendor to be developing a rinseless wash, although they had beta testers who are rinseless fanatics.

Thanks setec. What was your initial thoughts on idrosave?
The only thing i can say about hero so far after my one use is that it felt slicker when drying off compared to n914 which is my usual rinseless

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[Setec Astronomy]

Idrosave was good, it left a very slick surface with good beading, that lasted for a few weeks, seemingly. The thing I didn't like is it stained my microfiber wash media, maybe the worst of any rinseless I've ever used, worse than ONR. I know some people don't seem to have problems with this, maybe it's my water, or maybe people just don't mind.

It's just when you're using MF that's yellow, and it turns black on the first panel, it's then hard to see how dirty subsequent panels are, and therefore how much you want to go back over it, or how often to go to the rinse bucket. I guess if you are using GDM then it doesn't matter. My other gripe with this is the ONR staining doesn't come out in the normal (laundry) wash, you have to pretreat it with OPC or something. I'm not sure if I washed the media I used with Idrosave, if I haven't I've lost track of which it was, anyway.

EDIT: As we were discussing above, Idrosave comes in a little bottle, so not much dollar risk to try it, if you can get around the shipping.

 

[Klasse Act]

And yet you still dont answer the question i asked, again thankyou. I will now go back to not clicking on my ingnore list posts.

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Hmmm, well not sure you'll see this but out of the 3 I'd say Gyeon Q2 ECO wash cleans best

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[opie2]

Idrosave was good, it left a very slick surface with good beading, that lasted for a few weeks, seemingly. The thing I didn't like is it stained my microfiber wash media, maybe the worst of any rinseless I've ever used, worse than ONR. I know some people don't seem to have problems with this, maybe it's my water, or maybe people just don't mind.

It's just when you're using MF that's yellow, and it turns black on the first panel, it's then hard to see how dirty subsequent panels are, and therefore how much you want to go back over it, or how often to go to the rinse bucket. I guess if you are using GDM then it doesn't matter. My other gripe with this is the ONR staining doesn't come out in the normal (laundry) wash, you have to pretreat it with OPC or something. I'm not sure if I washed the media I used with Idrosave, if I haven't I've lost track of which it was, anyway.

EDIT: As we were discussing above, Idrosave comes in a little bottle, so not much dollar risk to try it, if you can get around the shipping.

Thanks for your input. I have not had any staining issues from a rinseless yet. Ive had onr,n914 and fenlab pure rinseless, and now hero. I just wash in 3d towel kleen, recently been adding distilledwhite vinegar in the fabric softener port to help aid in deep cleaning.

I have in the past been against a soap/rinseless that left some sort of protection behind. Recently because ive been looking to try idrosave next year that im more open to it.

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[Setec Astronomy]

Perhaps my problem is I usually use either "The Bone" or the old Meguiar's QD sponge that they made back in 2004 and I picked up a bunch of them at Big Lots, these are like "The Bone" but they have a softer sponge. Anyway, both of these have a weird kind of microfiber on them, it's described this way: "The non-split micro fibers of this jumbo car sponge, unlike most microfiber cleaning products, easily release the collected debris when rinsed with a hose."

Maybe because they are non-split they show the staining? Of course, now that I think of it, back in the QEW days when I used a regular microfiber towel, that stained like a MOFO too.

EDIT: Ha ha, they don't sell that bone wash sponge anymore at Autofiber or SuperDetail, only at MicrofiberTech...that Ian...

 

[chilly]

Opie, Chilly was pretty unimpressed with Hero's cleaning ability. I've only used my Idrosave once or twice, and I don't have Hero. Just as an off-hand comment, the ADS people aren't fans of rinseless washing, which makes them an odd vendor to be developing a rinseless wash, although they had beta testers who are rinseless fanatics.

This is all true IMO

I can't/won't try and interpret "right situation" for Klasse, but the right situation for ME using Hero is a lightly dusty or very lightly rain drop/dust spotted car, and absolutely not anything bonded or layered or caked or road filmed, it simply will not clean that stuff in my world under my conditions

I don't get all moist over scent or protection from a RW; first and foremost, I want it to clean, be as lubricated as possible, and release the dirt from a sponge, should I choose to use one

ONR does this better than Hero, and N-914 does it even better under my circumstances

I don't want or need a whole separate space for handfuls of different RW products, I have tried several, found what works, and I am OK with that

If a RW will clean a DIRTY car and satisfy the other requirements, why do I need more than 1 (ONR is always there because of all the other uses where it shines, as well as being a capable RW)

I stirred the pot on this thread because I have been thinking about and trying to find a more economical RW to put in my rinse bucket for the sole purpose of helping the dirt get released from the sponge without having to double the amount of my main RW that I am using

Since I started using a sponge I am making up 3 or 4 gallons of RW, depending on which car I am cleaning, in my wash bucket with a grit guard and I am making up 4 gallons of RW in my rinse bucket with a grit guard

So I am using 3 1/2 to 4 oz of either ONR or N-914 per wash, because I dump whatever is left over at the end

4 oz of RW concentrate per wash is not going to break me but I thought that if I could substitute one of these new 900:1 RW products solely in my rinse bucket, and get good or even better dirt release, and not mess up the chemistry for the whole process, maybe that might be a cool thing and save me a buck in the long run

Maybe I am full of crap too

 

[opie2]

This is all true IMO

I can't/won't try and interpret "right situation" for Klasse, but the right situation for ME using Hero is a lightly dusty or very lightly rain drop/dust spotted car, and absolutely not anything bonded or layered or caked or road filmed, it simply will not clean that stuff in my world under my conditions

I don't get all moist over scent or protection from a RW; first and foremost, I want it to clean, be as lubricated as possible, and release the dirt from a sponge, should I choose to use one

ONR does this better than Hero, and N-914 does it even better under my circumstances

I don't want or need a whole separate space for handfuls of different RW products, I have tried several, found what works, and I am OK with that

If a RW will clean a DIRTY car and satisfy the other requirements, why do I need more than 1 (ONR is always there because of all the other uses where it shines, as well as being a capable RW)

I stirred the pot on this thread because I have been thinking about and trying to find a more economical RW to put in my rinse bucket for the sole purpose of helping the dirt get released from the sponge without having to double the amount of my main RW that I am using

Since I started using a sponge I am making up 3 or 4 gallons of RW, depending on which car I am cleaning, in my wash bucket with a grit guard and I am making up 4 gallons of RW in my rinse bucket with a grit guard

So I am using 3 1/2 to 4 oz of either ONR or N-914 per wash, because I dump whatever is left over at the end

4 oz of RW concentrate per wash is not going to break me but I thought that if I could substitute one of these new 900:1 RW products solely in my rinse bucket, and get good or even better dirt release, and not mess up the chemistry for the whole process, maybe that might be a cool thing and save me a buck in the long run

Maybe I am full of crap too

Hahaha. Well said chillmister. I agree with your points about your assesments on a rinseless.

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[Klasse Act]

This is all true IMO

I can't/won't try and interpret "right situation" for Klasse, but the right situation for ME using Hero is a lightly dusty or very lightly rain drop/dust spotted car, and absolutely not anything bonded or layered or caked or road filmed, it simply will not clean that stuff in my world under my conditions

I don't get all moist over scent or protection from a RW; first and foremost, I want it to clean, be as lubricated as possible, and release the dirt from a sponge, should I choose to use one

ONR does this better than Hero, and N-914 does it even better under my circumstances

I don't want or need a whole separate space for handfuls of different RW products, I have tried several, found what works, and I am OK with that

If a RW will clean a DIRTY car and satisfy the other requirements, why do I need more than 1 (ONR is always there because of all the other uses where it shines, as well as being a capable RW)

I stirred the pot on this thread because I have been thinking about and trying to find a more economical RW to put in my rinse bucket for the sole purpose of helping the dirt get released from the sponge without having to double the amount of my main RW that I am using

Since I started using a sponge I am making up 3 or 4 gallons of RW, depending on which car I am cleaning, in my wash bucket with a grit guard and I am making up 4 gallons of RW in my rinse bucket with a grit guard

So I am using 3 1/2 to 4 oz of either ONR or N-914 per wash, because I dump whatever is left over at the end

4 oz of RW concentrate per wash is not going to break me but I thought that if I could substitute one of these new 900:1 RW products solely in my rinse bucket, and get good or even better dirt release, and not mess up the chemistry for the whole process, maybe that might be a cool thing and save me a buck in the long run

Maybe I am full of crap too

Sadly I've failed at answering Opie's question but when you said "why would I need more than one", well your right and based off of my experience, THIS (Feynlab RW v3), would be the one RW you'd ever need based off your comments. I've kept these photos for "real world, real daily driver" results, results that are as true as possible.

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[chilly]

Sadly I've failed at answering Opie's question but when you said "why would I need more than one", well your right and based off of my experience, THIS (Feynlab RW v3), would be the one RW you'd ever need based off your comments. I've kept these photos for "real world, real daily driver" results, results that are as true as possible.

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You are correct that Feynlab is most likely the best/strongest cleaner of the bunch

The last 2 times I went on their website to buy some, the site was down for some reason and I just hadn’t gotten around to trying again, but I will


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[Klasse Act]

You are correct that Feynlab is most likely the best/strongest cleaner of the bunch

The last 2 times I went on their website to buy some, the site was down for some reason and I just hadn’t gotten around to trying again, but I will


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I live about 25 minutes from them, I should see if they've ever gotten their store front/showroom ever opened

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[Setec Astronomy]

Since I started using a sponge I am making up 3 or 4 gallons of RW, depending on which car I am cleaning, in my wash bucket with a grit guard and I am making up 4 gallons of RW in my rinse bucket with a grit guard

Not to get all off-track here, but in the old days I used to wash my car with a 2.5 gal rubbermaid bucket from the supermarket or auto parts store or the "home improvement" stores we used to have around here before Home Depot and Lowes took them out (I can't remember where I got them).

When I found detailing forums and adopted the two-bucket method, I got 3.5 gallon buckets, because 5 gallon just seemed too big/tall, and too far away from the grit guard. I quickly started using a foam gun for conventional wash, so I no longer used a wash bucket, only a rinse bucket, which I guess I filled up to about 2 gallons.

When rinseless started to be a more routine wash for me, rather than a winter desperation wash, I continued to do conventional on the wheels, and found if the car wasn't hugely dirty, I could wash, especially my little car, with just a half gallon of rinseless, and 2 gallons in the rinse bucket, with the same amount of concentrate as I used in the wash. As I have noted, maybe in this thread, maybe the half gallon was me being cheap, but lately I have been mixing more wash, and sweetening up the rinse bucket to a little more than what I was.

I'm not washing any SUV's with glacier grease on them, but I can't imagine using 3 or 4 gallons of rinseless, or even filling up a rinse bucket that much. Maybe I am doing this wrong.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You are correct that Feynlab is most likely the best/strongest cleaner of the bunch

The last 2 times I went on their website to buy some, the site was down for some reason and I just hadn’t gotten around to trying again, but I will

I wish you guys would just shush already, I don't need anymore rinseless...I somehow wound up with a Geist 3+ leather kit this week because Opie started that other thread.

 

[Klasse Act]

Not to get all off-track here, but in the old days I used to wash my car with a 2.5 gal rubbermaid bucket from the supermarket or auto parts store or the "home improvement" stores we used to have around here before Home Depot and Lowes took them out (I can't remember where I got them).

When I found detailing forums and adopted the two-bucket method, I got 3.5 gallon buckets, because 5 gallon just seemed too big/tall, and too far away from the grit guard. I quickly started using a foam gun for conventional wash, so I no longer used a wash bucket, only a rinse bucket, which I guess I filled up to about 2 gallons.

When rinseless started to be a more routine wash for me, rather than a winter desperation wash, I continued to do conventional on the wheels, and found if the car wasn't hugely dirty, I could wash, especially my little car, with just a half gallon of rinseless, and 2 gallons in the rinse bucket, with the same amount of concentrate as I used in the wash. As I have noted, maybe in this thread, maybe the half gallon was me being cheap, but lately I have been mixing more wash, and sweetening up the rinse bucket to a little more than what I was.

I'm not washing any SUV's with glacier grease on them, but I can't imagine using 3 or 4 gallons of rinseless, or even filling up a rinse bucket that much. Maybe I am doing this wrong.

Well here's what I always do when mixing up a RW. The solution bucket gets 3.5 gallons of water in the 5 gallon bucket and my rinse bucket, a 3.5 gallon bucket, gets filled about half way and grit guards in both of them. I make extra solution because I dunk my IK sprayer in there to pre-treat...and there you have it

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[Setec Astronomy]

That makes sense, I always mix up the pre-spray separately. I was never really a big pre-sprayer, for a variety of reasons, but I'm getting more into the habit now.

 

[opie2]

You are correct that Feynlab is most likely the best/strongest cleaner of the bunch

The last 2 times I went on their website to buy some, the site was down for some reason and I just hadn’t gotten around to trying again, but I will


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I have some of the og version left. It was good cleaner but didnt care for the streaking on the glass and drag on the drying towel.

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[chilly]

So, Feynlab ordering is up and running

However

I’m not paying 75% of the cost of the product to mail it to me

Sorry

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[Klasse Act]

So, Feynlab ordering is up and running

However

I’m not paying 75% of the cost of the product to mail it to me

Sorry

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Maybe Amazon is cheaper?

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[chilly]

Maybe Amazon is cheaper?

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That is where I have gotten it before (V1 and V2) but I don't have Prime so I will wait and tack it on to another Amazon order

I placed an order last week and they are already giving me delivery dates after Christmas so I probably won't be ordering anything for a while, but I will put it in the cart

 

[chilly]

Not to get all off-track here, but in the old days I used to wash my car with a 2.5 gal rubbermaid bucket from the supermarket or auto parts store or the "home improvement" stores we used to have around here before Home Depot and Lowes took them out (I can't remember where I got them).

When I found detailing forums and adopted the two-bucket method, I got 3.5 gallon buckets, because 5 gallon just seemed too big/tall, and too far away from the grit guard. I quickly started using a foam gun for conventional wash, so I no longer used a wash bucket, only a rinse bucket, which I guess I filled up to about 2 gallons.

When rinseless started to be a more routine wash for me, rather than a winter desperation wash, I continued to do conventional on the wheels, and found if the car wasn't hugely dirty, I could wash, especially my little car, with just a half gallon of rinseless, and 2 gallons in the rinse bucket, with the same amount of concentrate as I used in the wash. As I have noted, maybe in this thread, maybe the half gallon was me being cheap, but lately I have been mixing more wash, and sweetening up the rinse bucket to a little more than what I was.

I'm not washing any SUV's with glacier grease on them, but I can't imagine using 3 or 4 gallons of rinseless, or even filling up a rinse bucket that much. Maybe I am doing this wrong.

I forgot to mention the rinse bucket has 2 Grit Guards stacked so it needs a bit more liquid

Plus I don't wring out my media until it is "just dripping" or however the talking heads say to do it

I take considerably more out than normal human beings do each and every "dunk"

I also measure my RW and fudge a little on the extra side

 

[BLM]

What are opinions on using just plain water in the rinse bucket as opposed to the rinse bucket containing rinsless solution.
Considering that the sponge is already saturated with the rinseless then should that not aid in releasing the dirt from the sponge?

Not that rinseless wash is expensive but if placing it in the rinse solution then one is using twice as much. To be honest I only recently started using a rinse bucket when doing rinseless and I have only used plain water in it. I do have a scrub wall in the rinse bucket and the rinse water does get dirty so that is less dirt going into the wash solution.