Sealant comparison

RippyD said:
Here's how this looks so far with sealant duration graphed. The resolution is limited to when I tested. I made a couple of judgement calls to between testing dates (aka interpolation). If tested these more frequently you'd see a more normal distribution rather than steps. I'm not submitting a research paper, so calling it good enough. Please remember that these are relative measurement and that your absolute durations will be different.

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I'm gonna have to go back and look at dg111 and now I really want to re look at PNS I wonder how much longer it would go

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Note that I corrected the chart after you replied. Now showing done vs. still going. I believe PNS, DG 111, and Track Claw are almost done.

PNS is noteworthy for it's ease of application relative to longevity. There are several others that are still going as well (Mystery #2 and #3, and Dodo Future Armour). Will see if i can differentiate better. (Graphing in Google Sheets is very limited.)
 
Don't recall the exact duration. I may have it buried in my notes. It was at least 20 minutes for all of the ones that were not wipe-on-wipe-off. Even after 20 mins I didn't remove until they passed the dry finger wipe test. The exception was one of the mystery sealants, which I seem to recall you telling me would not dry.

I will say that you really can't collect enough data when doing this. Wish I had documented everything better and wish I had done more frequent washing. Hard to do when it's dark, raining, and 32 degrees out. But we are where we are.

Did another test yesterday. Will post results later today.
 
RippyD said:
Don't recall the exact duration. I may have it buried in my notes. It was at least 20 minutes for all of the ones that were not wipe-on-wipe-off. Even after 20 mins I didn't remove until they passed the dry finger wipe test. The exception was one of the mystery sealants, which I seem to recall you telling me would not dry.

I will say that you really can't collect enough data when doing this. Wish I had documented everything better and wish I had done more frequent washing. Hard to do when it's dark, raining, and 32 degrees out. But we are where we are.

Did another test yesterday. Will post results later today.
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I think with less washing it's more realistic especially for those who use these for business purposes as it better reflects the "average" customer. I can't even begin to tell you how many people call me for a "annual" wax as they still somehow thing it will last all year.

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I get your point. But I'm really not trying to reproduce what the average car owner would do. In Portland that would be not washing your car for 7 months. I'm trying to get relative longevity rather than absolute. Given that conditions vary so much between everybody (look at your weather vs. mine) I don't think it's very meaningful.

My point on testing more was that I'd have more data points. If I don't test for a month and product quits sheeting, was it toward the beginning or end of that 4 week period? I don't know. So in some cases I would not be able to tell if it was a 4 week or an 8 week durability (for example). For most of these it's not that critical and 2-3 week is probably fine.

Appreciate the discussion. And please feel free to tell me I'm full of crap. Open to learning and doing this better going forward.
 
RippyD said:
I get your point. But I'm really not trying to reproduce what the average car owner would do. In Portland that would be not washing your car for 7 months. I'm trying to get relative longevity rather than absolute. Given that conditions vary so much between everybody (look at your weather vs. mine) I don't think it's very meaningful.

My point on testing more was that I'd have more data points. If I don't test for a month and product quits sheeting, was it toward the beginning or end of that 4 week period? I don't know. So in some cases I would not be able to tell if it was a 4 week or an 8 week durability (for example). For most of these it's not that critical and 2-3 week is probably fine.

Appreciate the discussion. And please feel free to tell me I'm full of crap. Open to learning and doing this better going forward.
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I totally get you, when I do my testing I try my best to wash every week and normally on Fridays. While it is much easier to tell when one is breaking down.

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Hey I have a question on WGDGPS. At one point you said you thought it came back a bit. Did you change your opinion?

The real reason I ask is that's my current sealant, and my experience is so totally different. I have had 2 or 3 month old sealant on my car and the water behavior is like I just put it on. I usually play around and put more on after that, but I just can't get my head around how it would have only lasted 6 weeks.

PS - This is awesome content. It led me to buy 601/111.
 
It's hard to say - it may be temp dependent. WGDGPS seem to be clearing water when I hit it with the hose on a warm day. Then I went back the next day when it was cold and it wasn't. I need more data and it's one I'll probably repeat.

Regarding the longevity of my results, you have to consider my conditions: Most of these have gotten hammered with rain more days that not and are outside 24x7. I have to believe that will shorten the durability. I can't make any meaningful claims about absolute longevity, only relative.
 
I would have to say that from what I've seen, it might be the way PNS's polymers are linked together where the chemical bond is strong enough that bonded contaminants don't destroy the bond but sit on top of it until you clay it. A lot of other LSPs, the bonded contaminants break the bonds in between the chemicals in the LSP. That's why PNS is such an effective water beader as well, because the water sits ontop of the polymers linked on the paint and so it sheets it away easily. To be honest I'm not surprised by the results. The ones that have lasted are the ones that are usually recommended. The ones that haven't lasted are the AIOs, the ones used more commonly as a drying aid or topper after a wash.
 
Couple of updates in this post. Hoping to get another one done later today or tomorrow.

From Feb 15th
Colder out and MS3 working more slowly.
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This looks like McKee's 360 is still working. Could be, but it's much slower than MS2, MS3, and Future Armour. I got distracted and couldn't get a pic for a couple of minutes.
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Could not get a usable pic of Sonax PNS due to light issues.

From Feb 24th
Sentra hood immediately after flooding with water and then 15-20 seconds later.
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Rover hood before washing. Note that DG 105 is shedding water well. It doesn't do this after I wash it. WG DGS does this a little as well, but not to the same extent. No idea why they seem to repel water better with some dirt than when clean.
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Same 5 are still working on the Rover hood. Hard to see in this light. Interestingly, FK 1000 is slowing down and DG Track Claw was working faster. I have no idea why.
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Sonax PNS still working but slowing down.
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Duration graph for sealants: (EDIT: fixed. had the wrong graph previously.)
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Man PNS for ease to apply is really doing well compared to the "classics"

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I had the same thought. I'm guessing the others will outlast it a fair amount, but it's so easy to apply I think it's a fair tradeoff.

Did the wife's Boxster with PNS yesterday. Took maybe 20 mins. Would have been less had I not all the small fiddly areas too (door handles, mirrors, around the intake vents, etc.). I used a CarPro suede MF and block. Worked great and helps to apply it evenly and thin. Smaller area is better. I always do too large an area and this stuff starts to dry.
 
RippyD said:
I had the same thought. I'm guessing the others will outlast it a fair amount, but it's so easy to apply I think it's a fair tradeoff.

Did the wife's Boxster with PNS yesterday. Took maybe 20 mins. Would have been less had I not all the small fiddly areas too (door handles, mirrors, around the intake vents, etc.). I used a CarPro suede MF and block. Worked great and helps to apply it evenly and thin. Smaller area is better. I always do too large an area and this stuff starts to dry.
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Same here I tend to make the area to large. I'm getting good feed back from customers with fk1000p but the dry time is so long

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Update from today.

Sentra after 30 seconds or so:
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Two minutes later:
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Two more mins minutes:
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Three minutes later:
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These look effectively done to me. They're moving water better than the sealants on the right, but not significantly. (Cruz, any thoughts on these?)

Was very tough to get pictures on the Rover hood in this light. Summary the 4 are still working, but Track Claw and DG 111 are now outperforming everything else. Sonax PNS is not clearing the entire area any longer. FK 1000 and 845 are still working and clearing their sections, but about 1 minute behind Track Claw and DG 111. The big difference today is that it's ~69 degrees out - far warmer than it's been in months.

This is 30 seconds or so after flooding the hood. You can (kind of) see that Track Claw and DG 111 are clear, FK 1000 and 845 are still clearing. Could not get a good picture of PNS, but it was about 50% cleared at this point.
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RippyD said:
Update from today.

Sentra after 30 seconds or so:
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Two minutes later:
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Two more mins minutes:
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Three minutes later:
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These look effectively done to me. They're moving water better than the sealants on the right, but not significantly. (Cruz, any thoughts on these?)

Was very tough to get pictures on the Rover hood in this light. Summary the 4 are still working, but Track Claw and DG 111 are now outperforming everything else. Sonax PNS is not clearing the entire area any longer. FK 1000 and 845 are still working and clearing their sections, but about 1 minute behind Track Claw and DG 111. The big difference today is that it's ~69 degrees out - far warmer than it's been in months.

This is 30 seconds or so after flooding the hood. You can (kind of) see that Track Claw and DG 111 are clear, FK 1000 and 845 are still clearing. Could not get a good picture of PNS, but it was about 50% cleared at this point.
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Updated graph
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Dg 111 is shocking considering it does more then just protect the paint and for it being so watery. It's also on the more expensive side compared to fk1000p. I've not tried track claw but it's sparking some interest.

Mystery sealant 1 I think did fairly well for being a spray and wipe sealant. Number 2 on the other hand I expected to last longer considering how much it cost...lol

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You should have some Track Claw if you want to try it. Of course you'd have to find the package or bottle. Mystery Sealant was very expensive as well and didn't last at all.
 
Cruzscarwash said:
Dg 111 is shocking considering it does more then just protect the paint and for it being so watery. It's also on the more expensive side compared to fk1000p. I've not tried track claw but it's sparking some interest.

Mystery sealant 1 I think did fairly well for being a spray and wipe sealant. Number 2 on the other hand I expected to last longer considering how much it cost...lol

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Isn’t 111 just a “pure” sealant? The 105 having other properties.

I like these tests. Makes me feel like I’m not the only one that sees such sort longevity on stuff people claim to last.


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I believe 111 is just a sealant and not a cleaner like 105. Cruz, can you clarify if we're wrong?

Matt, thanks and me too. I start doing this because of all the wild claims I was seeing on coatings and sealants with no evidence for anything.
 
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