If people did not need to worry about being reelected, they would do what is correct and just, not what they need to do to get reelected.
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If people did not need to worry about being reelected, they would do what is correct and just, not what they need to do to get reelected.
Johny B
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Thank you Mike. I've been playing around with Paint Shop Pro+animation shop+Photoshop for several years...... The above animation is a little bit faster now.
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Mike Phillips
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Y2KSVT
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People keep talking about bipartisanship as if it were a good thing. Horrible ideas stem from both sides, so one bad idea plus another bad idea does not equal one good idea. What about voting on principle? How about following the Constitution? The problem is, these politicians are just an extension of the people, so we only have ourselves to blame.
Nobody is talking about cutting anything and that's what needs to happen. We can't just cut everyone off of Social Security and Medicare tomorrow, but unless people wake up to the fact that this country is going bankrupt and these programs won't even exist in 30 years, we're going to have a monetary collapse, meaning the dollars in your pocket won't be worth anything. Democrats won't do anything about these entitlement programs, and Republicans won't even hint at cutting anything from the military budget. We can't afford to have 900 military bases around the world in 120 countries. We're not defending anything but the self-righteous dictators in these countries by being over there and we need to bring our young people home to defend our boarders, not going overseas, fighting these perpetual, preemptive wars.
This dog and pony show we're seeing right now with this "Fiscal Cliff" is only causing people to become more divided as they watch/listen to their mainstream media pundits. It's sad, knowing that Americans need Rush Limbaugh and Stephen Colbert to do all the thinking for us.
Nobody is talking about cutting anything and that's what needs to happen. We can't just cut everyone off of Social Security and Medicare tomorrow, but unless people wake up to the fact that this country is going bankrupt and these programs won't even exist in 30 years, we're going to have a monetary collapse, meaning the dollars in your pocket won't be worth anything. Democrats won't do anything about these entitlement programs, and Republicans won't even hint at cutting anything from the military budget. We can't afford to have 900 military bases around the world in 120 countries. We're not defending anything but the self-righteous dictators in these countries by being over there and we need to bring our young people home to defend our boarders, not going overseas, fighting these perpetual, preemptive wars.
This dog and pony show we're seeing right now with this "Fiscal Cliff" is only causing people to become more divided as they watch/listen to their mainstream media pundits. It's sad, knowing that Americans need Rush Limbaugh and Stephen Colbert to do all the thinking for us.
A-train
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It's impossible for the US to pay off its national debt in 3 years. Even though Clinton supposedly balanced the budget several times in his first four years in office he added more than a trillion dollars to the national debt on his first four years.
http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/4351-trillion-difference-between-obama-and-clinton_651748.html
Now I'm not saying I wouldn't take Clinton back in a heart beat....
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Thank you Mike. I've been playing around with Paint Shop Pro+animation shop+Photoshop for several years...... The above animation is a little bit faster now.
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If you could insert images of the Senate, Congress and House of Reps that would be great!!
Nice animation Johny B!
RPPM
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Absolutely agree 100%
EddieF
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I do kinda agree with this. As much as I dont want to pay higher taxes, if it means the country doing better, im all for it. Half of the countries debt is from the bush era tax cuts, so obviously thats not working.
2old2change
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How will this be accomplished if they raise taxes but refuse to cut the spending that got us into this trouble ? When you max out your charge cards do you just head to the bank and borrow more money and keep buying STUFF ?
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I personally think the Govt. needs to go back in time. Congressmen and Senators were not suppose to have full time jobs in Washington. They were only required to be there when needed. They need to get back to that era and actually have jobs in their states. I would bet that 95% of the BS they pass and do would stop as it would affect their way of life also.
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Short answer, it's can't be accomplished without spending cuts.
I believe the real answer is, raise taxes, keep spending like a mad man, and when the whole mess blows up, blame Bush. :xyxthumbs:
UltimateDetail
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Well, Yahoo just posted an article saying they will not come to an agreement by midnight... RUT ROH!
House won't vote before midnight on 'cliff' deal - Yahoo! News
House won't vote before midnight on 'cliff' deal - Yahoo! News
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cardaddy
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EddieF
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Clinton handed bush a surplus, bush handed obama a huge debt. So yes bush is to blame. And I do admit, Obama is not helping matters. It seems as if none of those smart guys know the meaning of the word BUDGET!!
bulldog shine
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Budget, I don't think the senate has passed one in years.
Fast Eddie
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I had this guy come in last week with a swirled up car, I asked him how it got so swirled, he said it was Bush Im the MAN
cardaddy
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The thing is, the "cliff" is most likely the only option that at least does SOMETHING. From a political point of view these guys (from both sides) would rather let it happen so they can come back with a 'solution'.
Look at it like this; "Well sir, you wanted lower taxes and I did indeed vote to lower your taxes", which is EXACTLY what they will do AFTER they let the tax rate go UP. So there is a cut here in services, a raise there in taxes, blah blah blah....
We do need some sort of tax hike, somewhere. Just as we need spending cuts (most everywhere). Donald Trump as President was/is a joke but somebody needs to start looking at this like a business as if they have to report to their board and shareholders (that'd be us). Don't make money, have to large of an expense account, can't make time to show up for meetings..... your board and shareholders will fire your a$$.
Bottom line is after all this goes into effect they'll jump in like the superhero's they believe they are and do away with this and that under the guise that they are "helping" us. Make sense? :dunno:
Thing is that all these 'fat cats' with literal lifetime terms of office have no real fear that if they don't perform they'll end up out of office. The UK has that part of it right, you don't meet with the people that elected you and make them happy (on a regular basis btw) and your fat a$$ is out on the street.
It is insane that one side says they have a plan, then the other side says they have a plan, but NEITHER side is willling to sit down with the other and work out a plan. So what do they do? They do NOTHING.
The most precious thing we have as humans is life. We have long since, setup a system that allows 12 people to determine whether or not a person's life can be taken. This is a tried and true system that this country was built on and people around the world believe in. We take 12 people, give them all the facts, and they have the ability to not only decide whether or not the facts are enough to make a decision with, but can take those facts to the point where another human being is not worthy of existence.
We can take a room of strangers, (jury pool) and via questions from both sides defense and prosecution (republicans & democrats) they can, and DO end up with a final group of people that are able to wade through all the BS and make a decision. Those people can't say, "well the other side isn't talking to me" or "well I don't want to talk to them". The MUST take the facts as they are presented and come up with a workable solution, period!
See, the part about this system that makes it work is both sides (defense & prosecution) only get so many peremptory challenges and they must move forward from there.
Why not make the politicians in Washington have to live with something akin to peremptory challenges? So one side says "I've got this list of 100 things I just have to have", then the other side says "So do I, but I'm not willing to accept half of the items on your list" and they BOTH work from there. The old saying of "throw $hit on the wall and see what sticks" might come to mind. Give each side a maximum number of items on their list, and a maximum number of "challenges" and once each side uses up their challenges then it's done, and everyone goes home.
We do it to decide life or death all over this great country, with everyday people, from every walk of life. Don't need to be a brain surgeon or lawyer to figure it out. Why in the world can't a room full of well paid, highly educated (in most circumstances), elected officials be made to live by the same rules?
Not trying to re-invent the wheel here guys so please don't stone me. Just throwing $hit at the wall to see what sticks.
Look at it like this; "Well sir, you wanted lower taxes and I did indeed vote to lower your taxes", which is EXACTLY what they will do AFTER they let the tax rate go UP. So there is a cut here in services, a raise there in taxes, blah blah blah....
We do need some sort of tax hike, somewhere. Just as we need spending cuts (most everywhere). Donald Trump as President was/is a joke but somebody needs to start looking at this like a business as if they have to report to their board and shareholders (that'd be us). Don't make money, have to large of an expense account, can't make time to show up for meetings..... your board and shareholders will fire your a$$.
Bottom line is after all this goes into effect they'll jump in like the superhero's they believe they are and do away with this and that under the guise that they are "helping" us. Make sense? :dunno:
Thing is that all these 'fat cats' with literal lifetime terms of office have no real fear that if they don't perform they'll end up out of office. The UK has that part of it right, you don't meet with the people that elected you and make them happy (on a regular basis btw) and your fat a$$ is out on the street.
It is insane that one side says they have a plan, then the other side says they have a plan, but NEITHER side is willling to sit down with the other and work out a plan. So what do they do? They do NOTHING.
The most precious thing we have as humans is life. We have long since, setup a system that allows 12 people to determine whether or not a person's life can be taken. This is a tried and true system that this country was built on and people around the world believe in. We take 12 people, give them all the facts, and they have the ability to not only decide whether or not the facts are enough to make a decision with, but can take those facts to the point where another human being is not worthy of existence.
We can take a room of strangers, (jury pool) and via questions from both sides defense and prosecution (republicans & democrats) they can, and DO end up with a final group of people that are able to wade through all the BS and make a decision. Those people can't say, "well the other side isn't talking to me" or "well I don't want to talk to them". The MUST take the facts as they are presented and come up with a workable solution, period!
See, the part about this system that makes it work is both sides (defense & prosecution) only get so many peremptory challenges and they must move forward from there.
Why not make the politicians in Washington have to live with something akin to peremptory challenges? So one side says "I've got this list of 100 things I just have to have", then the other side says "So do I, but I'm not willing to accept half of the items on your list" and they BOTH work from there. The old saying of "throw $hit on the wall and see what sticks" might come to mind. Give each side a maximum number of items on their list, and a maximum number of "challenges" and once each side uses up their challenges then it's done, and everyone goes home.
We do it to decide life or death all over this great country, with everyday people, from every walk of life. Don't need to be a brain surgeon or lawyer to figure it out. Why in the world can't a room full of well paid, highly educated (in most circumstances), elected officials be made to live by the same rules?
Not trying to re-invent the wheel here guys so please don't stone me. Just throwing $hit at the wall to see what sticks.
ObsessiveAutoDetail
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There's just no reasoning with a liberal.
EddieF
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You should tell him to be careful when he drives!! LOL
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