The Holy Grail of Compound - M101

I "think" it's for one of two reason, maybe both...

1.Formulated specifically for the needs of foreign markets.

2. It's not V.O.C. compliant in the U.S.

Just guesses but I think I was in a conversation with someone and that's what I heard...


:)

Ahh,Ok.
I Appreciate you answering(what you heard) Mike.
 
Oh no... Mike's called "the fuzz"! Dump the "stash", bury the bottle rockets, pop the whoopie cushions... party over. :help:
 
Oh no... Mike's called "the fuzz"! Dump the "stash", bury the bottle rockets, pop the whoopie cushions... party over. :help:


I don't know if I would call Jason the Fuzz.... :laughing:


You probably know the reason too so if you do, please feel free to share...


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International Trackers of Specialty Detailing Apparatuses • Compounds and Outstanding Polishes Sector :surrender:
 
I don't know if I would call Jason the Fuzz.... :laughing:
You probably know the reason too so if you do, please feel free to share...


:xyxthumbs:

Who? Justin? I don't know her. Besides- I was at the matinee all day. How should I know which one? Ask the popcorn girl, she'll tell 'ya.
What's that? You did? She's what?! Naw, something's not right, it's a frame job, see... I'm just a patsy. I'm being set up...!
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Mike, I'm pretty sure you're correct. Meguiar's HQ is in California, land of some of most strict environmental laws.

I too, will wait for your response.......guessing it will come with some insight from Mr. Pennington or Mr. Stoops.


I've sent an e-mail to a buddy that would know the answer...


:)
 
I don't know if I would call Jason the Fuzz.... :laughing:


You probably know the reason too so if you do, please feel free to share...


:xyxthumbs:

Fuzzy headed sometimes, but not thee fuzz. Haha.

M101 Foam-Cut Compound is part of a system (foam cutting pad, backing plate, and compound) specifically created for the automotive paint refinish industry in Europe.

Interesting note for the history buffs...this is the first compound developed by Meguiar's for a specific international market and purpose (rotary, foam cutting pad, on Europe fresh paint.) AND! It is the first time Meguiar's actually did the development work outside of the United States...to the extent of settng up a temporary lab in Switzerland. Our development team flew to Europe and did the formulating while on European fresh paint in actual paint shops. Fun, fun. And we nailed it! The Foam-Cut System works incredibly well in Europe.

Refinish paint chemistry, sanding, and buffing techniques in Europe are different than in the United States. Paint could have been sent over to California for the compound testing, but it would not represent the paint surface exactly as in Europe. European paint sprayed in a California shop by a California painter in a California paint booth with a California paint gun...would result in a paint surface other than what you would find in Europe. And sending over painted panels from Europe would mean the fresh paint would be out of the sanding/buffing window by the time it arrived. More importantly, detailers sand and buff differently in Europe. So the best development option was to formulate and validate the product in Europe. The strategy worked big time!

So why is it not offered in the United States?
VOC compliancy is not the problem. The formula is VOC compliant globally.

The main reason is that the system did not work too well in the United Sates. We did field testing and results were not up to Meguiar's standards. I know this statement contradicts what you are hearing/reading...but both what I am saying now and what you are hearing are true. Here's how...we developed a system and tested a system. The compound was used on fresh paint in the U.S. and applied with the foam cutting pad and backing plate in the system. Shops rejected the system profoundly. The compound (which remember is rock star in Europe) had a jacked up buffing cycle on fresh paint in the United States. And shops rejected the use of the foam pad and backing plate. How many body shops in the United States do you think use a small 6 inch x 1inch foam pad with a cushy soft backing plate for cutting out sanding marks? Switching to other pads and backing plates improved overall performance slightly on domestic fresh paint, but not well enough to justify this expensive formula.

So why are some people saying M101 works so well here?
Any performance of this compound, either good or bad, that is discovered when used in the United States, on fully cured or OEM applied paint, with any other pad, any other backing plate, or any tool other than rotary...is unintentional and not validated by Meguiar's at this time. So if you acquired M101 and are using it in the United States, you are in undiscovered country...and you are on your own. I have seen and experienced what some people are talking about. Cuts like crazy in some situations (I have to be purposefully vague here, but you don't have to.) So, although not being used as designed in the system, there is some pretty remarkable performance being experimented with out there.

So will Meguiar's be launching a M101 like product in the United states? Or perhaps apply the formula to a different application method?
I will not confirm or deny.

But from the makers of M86 Cut & Polish Cream, M105 Ultra Cut Compound, M205 Ultra Finishing Polish, and the D.A. Microfiber Correction System...I can tell you this much...we are NOT sitting around twiddling our thumbs and letting grass grow around our feet!
 
Thanks for the quick reply and info Jason. We seem to be in a quickly changing and interesting world with regards to the detailing industry.
 
The compound was used on fresh paint in the U.S. and applied with the foam cutting pad and backing plate in the system. Shops rejected the system profoundly. The compound (which remember is rock star in Europe) had a jacked up buffing cycle on fresh paint in the United States. And shops rejected the use of the foam pad and backing plate. How many body shops in the United States do you think use a small 6 inch x 1inch foam pad with a cushy soft backing plate for cutting out sanding marks? Switching to other pads and backing plates improved overall performance slightly on domestic fresh paint, but not well enough to justify this expensive formula.

As usual, a true wealth of information from you, Jason. Thanks for the insight!

Can you maybe give us a little bit of information about how the makeup of the W-6006 pad and W-61 backing plate in this system differ from the domestically available SoftBuff 2.0 cutting pad (closed vs. open cell foam, density, etc) and SO1O system backing plate (W-66)?

Obviously you can't go into how the performance compares between the two since it's not a validated or approved application, but the purely empirical differences between the two I'd be interested to know.

Also, by chance would it be possible to obtain MSDS data on M101?
 
As usual, a true wealth of information from you, Jason. Thanks for the insight!

Can you maybe give us a little bit of information about how the makeup of the W-6006 pad and W-61 backing plate in this system differ from the domestically available SoftBuff 2.0 cutting pad (closed vs. open cell foam, density, etc) and SO1O system backing plate (W-66)?

Obviously you can't go into how the performance compares between the two since it's not a validated or approved application, but the purely empirical differences between the two I'd be interested to know.

Also, by chance would it be possible to obtain MSDS data on M101?

You're welcome.

W6006 is based on a very popular euro foam. The objective was to provide the Europeans with a user experience they are accustom to. I don't really use this term myself, but the foam would be considered what you are calling closed cell. The exact specs are proprietary. By shape and desgin, the two pads are different. Soft Buff 2.0 are thicker, larger o.d., and recessed. The W6006 is thinner, smaller o.d. by an inch, and flat.

The W61 and W66 are very similar in design and performance. But the W61 is available in 14mm and 16mm only, so wont fit on 5/8 domestic tools very well. And there is an o.d. difference, W66 is larger for larger pads.

I believe the MSDS is available on our domestic website, but surely on the Meguiar's UK site.
 
Thanks you Jason for chiming in and providing enough information to prevent any confusion, rumors or misinformation from starting and spreading...

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On a side note... I need to get you and Kevin some snazzy Avatars!


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You're welcome.

W6006 is based on a very popular euro foam. The objective was to provide the Europeans with a user experience they are accustom to. I don't really use this term myself, but the foam would be considered what you are calling closed cell. The exact specs are proprietary. By shape and desgin, the two pads are different. Soft Buff 2.0 are thicker, larger o.d., and recessed. The W6006 is thinner, smaller o.d. by an inch, and flat.

Awesome. :props: So it's not quite like going back to the original SoftBuff 6.5" cutting pads, then.... that was my original thought based on the pad's appearance in the pictures I've seen.

The W61 and W66 are very similar in design and performance. But the W61 is available in 14mm and 16mm only, so wont fit on 5/8 domestic tools very well. And there is an o.d. difference, W66 is larger for larger pads.

Gotcha. Not worth picking the W61 up if it won't work on domestic tools!

I believe the MSDS is available on our domestic website, but surely on the Meguiar's UK site.

Since the domestic site switched over to the "Beta" version of a new design, I don't see any MSDS data for ANY products anymore... Or at least a search reveals zero results. Unless I'm just missing it, M101 isn't listed anywhere on meguiars.co.uk either.
 
On a side note... I need to get you and Kevin some snazzy Avatars!


Im the MAN Im the MAN Im the MAN

Thanks, but I have an avatar... the one I use on all forums.
I have to pull the Meguiar's logo out of it, as Meghan dropped the law on me some time ago.

Can't keep free of the "fuzz" it seems... :doh:
 
Why wouldn't M101 work with LC hydro tech closed cell foam pads and european vehicles that people own here in the states? Or is it that since Meg's doesn't make pads like the LC HTs they don't wan't to encourage using a different brand pad than there own?
 
All day long all I can keep thinking about is this new compound....

Meguiars chimes in saying we probally would'nt want it... they've had little success with the (alarm > "body shop" < goes off #1) industry here in the states, but that (alarm >"other" < goes off #2) ppl are using it in ways not endorsed by Meguiars and acheiving intresting results

Then some dude with a low post count chimes in saying he got a chick pregnant at the drive-in and now the fuzz is in hot pursuit.... but he thinks he can pull the slip slip if he changes his avitar to a bottle of Turtle Wax and/or gives them a lifetime supply of Orvil Redenbacher?!?!?!?

Am I following all this correctly?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Oh yea, and we haven't heard anything from Chris #1 in 2 days now :buffing:

I need this stuff yesterday!!! :help:
 
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