The Holy Grail of Compound - M101

[PorscheGuy997]

Awwww man, I've been waiting for this thread Chris! Looking forward to the "more details" -- I have yet to try pursuing a group buy from that Italian vendor.

I'll send you a message tomorrow evening.

From a strictly professional point of view in regards to cutting power...

M105 = Im the MAN

M101 = Im the MAN :wave: :righton: :wave: Im the MAN


Chris was riddled with panic. How was he going to explain this away?
"No SIR I did NOT use a hole saw on your hood... I just buffed that spot for like, 10 seconds..." :bolt:

I wouldn't call it a hole saw, but it laughs at 2000 grit sanding marks.

Oh yea, and we haven't heard anything from Chris #1 in 2 days now :buffing:

I need this stuff yesterday!!! :help:

Yeah, retail is in full holiday boom, unfortunately. I just got off work and will be headed back in another five hours. Weekends? What weekends?

As soon as I get the chance, I will be putting this stuff to the test. Yes, microfiber pads will be involved...

 

[BillE]

Awesome. rops: So it's not quite like going back to the original SoftBuff 6.5" cutting pads, then.... that was my original thought based on the pad's appearance in the pictures I've seen.



Gotcha. Not worth picking the W61 up if it won't work on domestic tools!



Since the domestic site switched over to the "Beta" version of a new design, I don't see any MSDS data for ANY products anymore... Or at least a search reveals zero results. Unless I'm just missing it, M101 isn't listed anywhere on meguiars.co.uk either.

Go to Megs home page, up at the top see 'products' click to get to 'professional', when that page opens...down along the left side (bottom) you should see the link for MSDS.

Yea, it is kinda hidden compared to pre-Beta.

Bill

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Go to Megs home page, up at the top see 'products' click to get to 'professional', when that page opens...down along the left side (bottom) you should see the link for MSDS.

Yea, it is kinda hidden compared to pre-Beta.

Bill

Thanks Bill! I totally missed that :doh:

 

[Jason Rose]

Why wouldn't M101 work with LC hydro tech closed cell foam pads and european vehicles that people own here in the states? Or is it that since Meg's doesn't make pads like the LC HTs they don't wan't to encourage using a different brand pad than there own?

Ryan,
Paint applied at a car factory and paint applied at a refinish shop are two totally different chemistry, application methods, cure rates, buff differently, etc....totally different. The brand of the vehicle makes very little difference in this case. What we are talking about for this Foam-Cut System is cars or panels refinished in Europe.

But thanks for bringing that up. It helps to clarify...
Jason

 

[courtdale]

BMW's should be just fine then.. as long as they weren't repainted in the US I take it?

 

[Matt]

BMW's should be just fine then.. as long as they weren't repainted in the US I take it?

I would say no, well that's based on what Jason said. Which was that factory paint and techniques are completely different to refinish paint and techniques.

Unless your car was repainted in Europe before it came over?

 

[courtdale]

I would say no, well that's based on what Jason said. Which was that factory paint and techniques are completely different to refinish paint and techniques.

Unless your car was repainted in Europe before it came over?

Ah, I see. When I read "paint refinish industry.." I took that to mean people doing paint correction on European (painted) cars. Wow, so this was specifically designed not only for foreign markets, but for foreign "repainted" vehicles? Talk about a niche product.

I still want to try .

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Talk about a niche product.

It's not a niche if you're in Europe.

 

[courtdale]

It's not a niche if you're in Europe.

I wasn't speaking from a stateside point of view, I may have missed it, but I couldn't think of a compound designed for repaints only over here, hence the niche comment. (even if the frequency of repaints in Europe are significantly higher)

Not saying its a bad thing by any means, I'm searching out the little Italian dealer just like everyone else.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I wasn't speaking from a stateside point of view, I may have missed it, but I couldn't think of a compound designed for repaints only over here, hence the niche comment.

The Meg's Solo system is designed for fresh (re)paint here.

 

[courtdale]

The Meg's Solo system is designed for fresh (re)paint here.

Really? Is the reverse true? Meaning the Solo isn't advised for use on European paint? If so, that's pretty interesting that these products are chemically that specific.

Not that they probably care as my guess is no one in salivating in Europe right now over the Solo like we are with 101. Somehow I think they got the better end of the test tube.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Really? Is the reverse true? Meaning the Solo isn't advised for use on European paint? If so, that's pretty interesting that these products are chemically that specific.

Not that they probably care as my guess is no one in salivating in Europe right now over the Solo like we are with 101. Somehow I think they got the better end of the test tube.

I believe Solo was the first SMAT polish that Meg's released a number of years ago...there was a lot of expectation about it in the detailing community, but no one really seemed to like it and it very quickly receded from view. Not quite the same story when 105/205 came out a couple of years later.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I believe Solo was the first SMAT polish that Meg's released a number of years ago...there was a lot of expectation about it in the detailing community, but no one really seemed to like it and it very quickly receded from view. Not quite the same story when 105/205 came out a couple of years later.

I don't think the enthusiast community was really quite "ready" to accept the concept of a single-liquid system when So1o came out.... but now lots of enthusiasts are picking up HD UNO, which operates on the same principle.


Incidentally, they do sell So1o in Europe.... or at least some parts of the system.

 

[Matt]

I'd be interested as to what the differences are between American and European painters

 

[Michael Stoops]

I'd be interested as to what the differences are between American and European painters

It's not the "painters", it's the "paint" itself. It's a high solids versus low solids situation and the fact that, while wool pads are very commonly used for sanding mark removal in the States, foam is the primary pad used for the same purpose in European body shops. They rarely use wool at all, especially in the higher end facilities.

So, dramatically different paint chemistry between Euro and US aftermarket paints (the different environmental regs play a huge role here, obviously), and a very different work flow between the two cultures means that what works in one place isn't necessarily what will work in another.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Would it be fair to assume this polish would work well on a "New" European made automobile delievered to the States?

 

[Tom Weed]

It would be fair to assume that I want to get my hands on some!

 

[Flash Gordon]

It would be fair to assume that I want to get my hands on some!

:iagree:

The fact that Meguiars reps are talking the product down has me even more suspicous. Now I gotta have it! What a clever marketing strategy!


Wonder where its manufactured?

 

[Mike Phillips]

I believe Solo was the first SMAT polish that Meg's released a number of years ago...

Correctamundo...

The SMAT Pack - Everything you ever wanted to know about Meguiar's SMAT products...

Here's an excerpt from the above article...

SMAT Timeline
Below is a list of all the current SMAT product in the order in which they were introduced to the market...

• October, 2006 - M86 Cut & Polish Cream
• December, 2007 - M105 Ultra Cut Compound
• December, 2007 - M95 Speed Cut Compound
• April, 2008 - D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream
• November, 2008 - M105 Ultra Cut Compound - New Formula: DA Polisher Approved
• November, 2008 - M205 Ultra Finishing Polish
• November, 2008 - Ultimate Compound
• November, 2008 - SwirlX
• November, 2008 - ScratchX - New & Improved with SMAT

So, dramatically different paint chemistry between Euro and US aftermarket paints

And paint systems are continually changing, what they're spraying today in any country will be different possibly within months, this is why it's always a good idea to do a Test Spot on any car you're working on and dial-in a system that works on the specific paint in front of you.

System = Pad, Product, Tool and Technique and also you're Technique.

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

I'll send you a message tomorrow evening.

Still waiting :xyxthumbs: