UPS Steps it Up!

[Ron Atchison]

Why would they? They are union

Seems like everybody who is a union employee the service level goes down tremendously becasue they are not in fear of losing their job anymore

Just sayin

........ I would like to be in a union gig someday as a Police Officer

I will make a correction ....... seems as the lower level people in unions are a bit lax :nomore:

I can't tell you how many times I have heard "I can't get fired because I'm in a union worst they can do is put me on a desk job for a couple of weeks"

(this is in the emergency service field mind you)

I know what you are talking about ... very fair statement.

TY for you service :cheers:



Yea, I've been able to see more things in my 21 years on this earth than most people see in their lifetime. Being involved in the FD, EMS, and working hand in hand with the PD I've seen enough dead bodies, trauma, pain and helplessness for probably 4 regular peoples lifetime. I've held many peoples lives in my hands and I've brought some back and lost some to the Lord. I've got the strength and determination to be the best person I can.

I was raised by a fantastic family with good values that always encouraged me to do my best. I was taught properly how to manage my money at a very early age, something many people can't do in their 40's. I bought a brand new truck when I was 17 (seinor in high school, leased for 3years then bought out last October $36,000 truck) been working everyday after school and full time in the summer since I was 15. Don't owe a dime to anybody currently.



You bet it does maybe not directly with Pt. contact in the sense of performing their duty but for sure with attitude toward the pt. and for banging out sick or scamming the system

:rant: Sorry guys I'm done I promise lol

Sorry to hijack your thread Bobby but I can't let this one go.

Chris first you say that the box is smashed because of unions then you turn around and say you would like to belong to one because then you can, I guess be lazy, because you have worked and paid for your own stuff and now it's your turn. I'm glad you are that responsible but big deal so are a lot of other people. Then you say how at 21 years old you have done and seen it all on your department that because of unions patient care does suffer. I seriously take offense to that and a few of your statements and I guarantee if some of your co-workers knew you were saying what you are then they would have something to tell you. Tell you what. Next time your one one of those heroic calls working side by side with PD tell him he sucks at his job because he's union!

I have been on the job longer than you have been alive 23 years and am currently the Captain (shift commander) on my department with 7 stations, 45 FFs, 9 Lts. 36 paramedics under my command. My community had 26 murders in one summer a few years back so don't talk about what you have seen to make yourself look better. On my department someone like you that runs their mouth would be quickly told to sit down a shut up and it wouldn't be from me it would be from your piers. They would eat you up in the firehouse. The problem as I see it is a lack of officer control on your department not the Union. There is a thing called progressive discipline that must not be being used when it needs to be where you work or volunteer. With progressive discipline the slackers can and are weeded out.

So instead of coming on here and blaming unions, blame your officers or yourself for not stepping up and calling foul when you see it and doing their job and taking control of these people and doing the right thing when it needs to be done! Actually I'm afraid if they were then they would have a few things to tell you from time to time. You have had your say and now I have had mine and do not wish to continue this conversation anymore so if you do respond to this don't come back looking for mine. As you say. Just saying.

Sorry again Bobby and to everyone else for my rant.

 

[BobbyG]

Sorry to hijack your thread Bobby but I can't let this one go.

Sorry again Bobby and to everyone else for my rant.

No problem, this is an open forum so go for it!! rops:

 

[Pockets@PoorboysWorld]

My first comment was a bit unforgiving ...... I would just like to say I did not mean to group every single person in the union and I am sorry for that

Sorry to hijack your thread Bobby but I can't let this one go.

Chris first you say that the box is smashed because of unions Because of the safeguard unions put on people then you turn around and say you would like to belong to one because then you can, I guess be lazy, because you have worked and paid for your own stuff and now it's your turn Absolutely not, you find me a Police job that is not union around me, just how it is around me. Doesn't mean that I don't have to perform to the best of my abilities, after all that is how you get promoted . I'm glad you are that responsible but big deal so are a lot of other people Getting fewer and fewer that I can find. Then you say how at 21 years old you have done and seen it all again more than regular people would and I surely have on your department that because of unions patient care does suffer did not say pt. care I said attitude towards pts., its very different, they will get treated with what they need but attitude towards the job is a different thing too. I seriously take offense to that and a few of your statements and I guarantee if some of your co-workers knew you were saying what you are then they would have something to tell you I work for a vol. fire dept and am a Lt. at a vol. ambulance corp most of the people that do vol. do work in unions in say the city. Tell you what. Next time your one one of those heroic calls working side by side with PD tell him he sucks at his job because he's union! Not at all I'm very good friends with the people in my PD don't think they suck at their job at all and most of them go above and beyond .....

I have been on the job longer than you have been alive 23 years and am currently the Captain (shift commander) on my department with 7 stations, 45 FFs, 9 Lts. 36 paramedics under my command. My community had 26 murders in one summer a few years back so don't talk about what you have seen to make yourself look better Like you just did?? (I don't mean this comment to be demoting in any way, we have to have justification somehow of our credibility) . On my department someone like you that runs their mouth would be quickly told to sit down a shut up and it wouldn't be from me it would be from your piers Way out of line here because you totally missed what I was trying to say. They would eat you up in the firehouse. The problem as I see it is a lack of officer control on your department not the Union Again don't work for a union. There is a thing called progressive discipline that must not be being used when it needs to be where you work or volunteer. With progressive discipline the slackers can and are weeded out. Yes it is when used correctly but people are still pretty safe in a union


We were talking about UPS deliverers and people complaining in a large scale that packages were getting damaged.
So instead of coming on here and blaming unions, blame your officers or yourself for not stepping up and calling foul when you see it and doing their job and taking control of these people and doing the right thing when it needs to be done I sure do and want nothing but the finest people working in my agencies! Actually I'm afraid if they were then they would have a few things to tell you from time to time. You have had your say and now I have had mine and do not wish to continue this conversation anymore so if you do respond to this don't come back looking for mine. As you say. Just saying.

Sorry again Bobby and to everyone else for my rant.

I think you really took what I said the wrong way I by no means demoting the people that go above and beyond every day ...... Nor grouping everybody in a union as bad people that's no where near what I intended upon saying ... I mentioned an influence on a problem that many have brought up and have experienced first hand (package deliveries) :nomore:

Please respond to this as I did not mean to upset you this much and really feel that if we were talking face to face it would be a lot different ... tones and emotions are very hard to decipher through the txt from a keyboard

Sorry for the miscommunication Ron

 

[TLMitchell]

Is Jupiter near Stuart?

I thought it was somewhere near Uranus.

TL <---- or perhaps parked next to a Saturn

 

[BobbyG]

I thought it was somewhere near Uranus.

TL <---- or perhaps parked next to a Saturn

Those are clingons...

 

[Scarelane]

Not that I don't agree that UPS should be more careful, but that looks like a poor packing job by Amazon, which I've seen many times before.

I guess I've been really lucky. I order stuff all of the time and I've never had a damaged package. My UPS guy even leaves a dog treat on top of the packages for my dog!

 

[Ron Atchison]

Chris I wasn't going to reply but that may not be fair.

You made a blanket statement plain and simple. Then wanted to talk about all the things you have done that made you better.

You call it justification.

I simply stated what I do and my history to let you know that the next part of my reply was coming from someone that knew what they were talking about. I have never stated here what I do for a living or ever used it for justification or add validity to what I was saying. It has no place here. Actually 99% of the guys I work with never talk about it because they don't want the attention and neither do I. I feel the flag gets waved all to often. And you were defiantly waving it.


I don't see where you saying how you have pulled people back from the clutches of death justifies anything else you stated. Do you think by belonging to a FD makes you different, as in people should believe everything you say. I sure don't. I'm sorry but by your own admission you do not belong to a union or probably never have been in one being only 21 years old, so you are talking about something you really have no real idea about, just your perception. I think the book and it's cover applies here. So maybe you should have started off with in my opinon.....That is where I got the impression of someone running their mouth.

True things are defiantly left out when punching keys like emotion and so on, I'll give you that. As far as I'm concerned there is no need for more dialog on this subject we have hijacked this thread too much already. I'm ok with you and harbor no hard feelings.

Just remember there are a lot of people on here that do know more than you and have seen more than you. So when you make a statement make sure you know what you are talking about or let it be known that in your opinion, which you are entitled to, that this is how you see it. May prevent future miscommunications.

 

[NewXJ]

i'm gonna chime in for whats its worth...im a UPS delivery man and 9 out of 10 packages that come thru the system damaged are because they werent packaged properly from the shipper. i personally wouldnt have delivered this package unless inspected and repacked by a clerk. i treat every package that i deliver as they were my own...

 

[zmanz]

I deal with UPS (and other companies) on a daily basis and although they have damaged some things that I'd think wouldn't be damageable I have to say I agree with NewXJ in many many cases.

Part of my job is figuring out how to pack a huge variety of items so that they will survive and some are fragile. So I have to look at the journey as to what is reasonable that the box will encounter on its way.

In the original picture in this thread was there anything supporting the box in the areas it was compressed?
So many people throw an item in a box without anything to keep the box supported when something else gets stacked on it. And there always will be things stacked on boxes you ship. And often those things will be heavy. If there isn't sufficient packing at that point then most boxes will just collapse. You just can't have hollow space and expect the box to still be shaped like a box once it goes through everything.
I know some will say they should stack the heavy stuff on the bottom and the light on the top, and they probably do often try to do that but nobody would pay the shipping rates if they had to pay a crew of guys to sort all the boxes by weight before loading them on planes and semitrucks.
Whenever I see a flattened box I always think that it should have had either more packing material inside or reinforcing corners outside

Also from what I understand much of the journey through the sorting facilities is automated and that is where the boxes often suffer the most. As they can get stuck on corners while on the conveyors or hit by automated sorting arms etc.

 

[feslope]

Feel bad for you guys that get stuff in that condition. My UPS driver is one of the most professional, kind people I have ever come into contact with.

So they aren't all bad at least!

+1

 

[SpoiledMan]

My old UPS guy had my cell number so that he could call if I needed to sign for a package.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Scoreboard

FedEx - 16
UPS - 4

 

[Rencor]

Just South. But I was in Stuart for a Thurs night makeover. Went to get ice & water for the gang.

Is Jupiter near Stuart?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Why would they? They are union

Seems like everybody who is a union employee the service level goes down tremendously becasue they are not in fear of losing their job anymore

Just sayin

You know, you would think that, but around here at least, the UPS (Teamster) employees are WAY better than FedEx (non-union). We had a problem at work one day with a UPS Red being late and just thrown on the table (no one signed for it) and we complained and never saw that driver again, while I had a FedEx driver flip me the bird and storm off because he came to the wrong door where the package wasn't and I called FedEx and NO ONE CARED. You do the math.

 

[SpoiledMan]

Hey there Setec!