Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

OrangeVee said:
I respect your opinion. You're certainly entitled to one, as is anybody. However, I respectfully disagree on the points you brought up. It's not because I make a video about a brand that this has to be a "bad thing". A big part of detailing are the actual products. The goal of my brand review series (unlike my tutorials series) is to introduce brands to viewers and explain what the products do in the lineup. Not everyone watching my videos is a professional. Many are beginners, enthusiasts, weekend warriors, etc. I love sharing my knowledge with everyone and educate people. Part of the education is talking about a product, and explaining how to use it. It might seem obvious to you, but it isn't for many. And that's a big reason why my channel has grown so quickly. I explain things in easy to understand videos so people can buy a product knowing it will be good and they'll know how to use it.

I've said this many times, but the reason why my reviews are positive, is because if I choose to do a video review, it's about a product or a brand that I already love and have tested over weeks, or months, or even years in my detailing career. I don't like to spread negativity, you will never find that on my channel. That's not what I'm about. If you want Youtubers that bash companies, that like to talk negative about products, there are many out there. I am sure you have seen their videos. It doesn't make them better detailers because they can knock a product or say "this is the worst product ever, don't buy this guys!" My question always is, why did you waste your time doing a video about a product you don't like? And maybe that product didn't work well for YOU, but it could work well for someone else, in their world. But by saying it's bad, you put it in the person's head that it's terrible and they might not even give the product a chance. People work for those companies, not machines. It's their livelihood. How would you feel if people starting bashing your company online and saying "Don't go to that detailer's shop, he's horrible" because they had a bad experience with you. It could be damaging to your reputation and your income.

If I don't like a product or a brand, I simply don't do a video about them. It's that simple. I test thousands or products per year, more than any other Youtuber that I know, literally, and you can't imagine how many I just throw away. I don't have to waste my time and my viewers' precious time to tell them how bad of a product X or Y was...

I hope that clarifies things a little bit.

Too bad you stopped watching my videos, I'm sure you'd still find many good ones. And we can't forget the fact I'm the only one out there doing them in English and French. Very few people realize just how much effort making videos takes. It's insane. Detailing alone requires so much energy and effort. I'm sure you can attest to that. Imagine filming on top of that! And restarting twice for everything as you shoot in two languages...

That's why I take it to heart when people leave comments.
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I think you misunderstand what I meant. So let me clarify. I am not talking about product bashing. What I am saying is that no product is the best at everything. So for example, when you do a line like Geyon, and you make it sound like every product in that line the best thing since sliced bread, and then the next video is about say CarPro and again you only praise every product... the message that comes out is that you are making a sales video for each brand. Understand what I mean?

You can present the products you want and the do it the way you want, and I totally agree with you that presenting products you like is a great way to go about it. Maybe explaining why you like say Meguiars Fast Finish over an other product is X, Y, Z reason would make it more ... logical?

Anyway, the detailers are probably a very small part of the audience for you. I would assume most of your viewers are people just wanting to take care of their own cars, so the way you present your material might be great for that market. The reason I brought it up is that you post here and a great deal of the members of this forums are professionals and we probably look at the material a different way.

As for making videos, yes, insane amount of work. I have had plans to make several videos for my own clients and I keep procrastinating because it requires so much time and effort on top of the crazy amount of time and effort the actual detailing takes. Typical detail is 8 to 14 hours for me. Just the idea of having to set camera up, try to light the scenes correctly, and making B-Rolls and narration and then spend 20 hours editing the video feels like it's too much.
 
Klasse Act said:
In closing would you like his vids more if they were unprofessional like that guy Jimbo, I mean really, talk about "shoot from the hip"
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I like Jimbo's videos exactly because it's so unprepared, let's have a look at this together feel. Jimbo doesn't make claims, doesn't try to sell a product, he just does a test on video. I often comment on his videos with things he did not think about or aspects I think he should have done differently but overall I think his approach is good, at least for pros. I think he is targetting a different audience than Pan.

There are a few good people making videos about detailing, and often it comes down to personnal preferences on how the products should be presented. For example, I have watched countless videos of Scott from Dallas Paint correction... and I have stopped watching him too. I don't mind the way he shoots and doesn't edit, but latelly it seems all he does is videos trying to sell stuff. And everytime it's the same script of he has been trying this product for 6 months and it's the best thing since sliced bread. I really hate that. If he is doing it, it's probably what his audience wants, but it's not for me.

To conclude, I think that Larry from Ammo NYC and now Pan makes the most professional videos. I just wished Pan would focus less on product lines and more about comparissons and processes. But if his audience prefers product presentation videos, it makes sense to focus on them. He has the stats to see what is popular, I don't ;)
 
Eldorado2k said:
I’m not going to get into a super long post, but all I’m saying is when a person posts what they’re calling a “review” it should be more than a direct copy & paste of what the label says... It should provide their own insight and opinions based on their experience with it. Not simply “so and so wash & wax cleans your vehicle and leaves glossy carnauba wax protection behind” next product/next label to read, etc.

IMO That’s not a review.

Now does my opinion towards what he’s doing really matter? It shouldn’t matter to the point where someone else gets distraught over it, no. Afterall there’s no forbidden rules or anything like that going on. He can call it a review if he pleases, just like I can think that he’s got no clue what the definition of review actually means.
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When I think of reviews, apex detail and forensics detail lead the pack by a large margin in terms of in depth, objective reviews. They just present the information in a way that’s palatable and feels genuine and honest.

I don’t want someone to read the label for me, because I can find that info myself, googling a product isn’t difficult. I want someone to show me the product working, give me their insights on what it is and isn’t good at.

Being honest about the downfalls of a product or products within a product line isn’t bashing, it’s just being honest.

I unsubscribed from pan some time ago, and it wasn’t because I didn’t like his content. It just wasn’t aimed at me. Everything he says I can pretty much find on the Autogeek product description.


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I love Apex and Forensic without a doubt, Forensic in particular does both comparisons and certain products at times. I also like Pan because it's sometimes a line I've never heard of and he's also positive, I'm sadly a negative person but have positivity sometimes, LOL. Scott from Dallas Paint Correction and Luxury Microfibers IS now a salesman because he just launched his own company, Luxury Microfiber. This is a tough business to get into but the products DELIVER, period! I've made 2 purchases so far, bought some Christmas gifts there as well. He poured out his life story, you might wanna watch that and reevaluate your thoughts about him, I know I did!

The last couple posts here give a firm, well thought out opinion and I appreciate this, wish we heard more comments like this than just darts

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To think THIS product, at $10.00, brought out all this, simply amazing, you can't buy this type of publicity

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Klasse Act said:
To think THIS product, at $10.00, brought out all this, simply amazing, you can't buy this type of publicity

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I’ll have you know, that’s 10 crisp George Washington’s.


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{Me, thinking out loud.}

Sometimes, Companies “pick” the
wrong ’Celebrity’ spokesperson.


Bob
 
Finick said:
I’ll have you know, that’s 10 crisp George Washington’s.




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...a THOUSAND PENNIES, oh yeah shipping to 60007, so that's TWO THOUSAND, ONE HUNDERED AND SIXTY PENNIES in my case!
 
I was told by a anonymous source that Bead Maker is going to sell out and every one will blame Pan :argue:
 
So I've just read how several users think it's not bad, but not the best either. My question is, why bother using something that you know isn't the best? Yeah it may be pretty cheap for a small bottle, but so what? Are you going to offer your customers inferior products because they're cheaper or always try and use the best that you know of?
 
Klasse Act said:
To think THIS product, at $10.00, brought out all this, simply amazing, you can't buy this type of publicity

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That's exactly what I was telling myself. It's just insane. How an inexpensive product led to all this. 7 pages of back and forth about how some dislike my videos or my style. GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES! Don't people have better things to do? I'm amazed at how much wasted time there was typing up the reasons why some don't like my videos... Matt from Obsessed Garage had warned me about me liking Bead Maker. He took a lot of flack from his audience when he reviewed Bead Maker. And today, everyone wants it and it's flying out of his store shelves. I think a lot has to do that the product had been hyped in the past year, so people simply assume it's not a good product. Well, it is a great product. I don't care what anyone says. It works in my world, in my conditions. Everyone around me who has tried it now can't live without it. If people don't like it, well that's ok too. Just move on with your life and stick to what works for you.

I have to focus on the fact my channel is still one of the biggest car detailing channels on YouTube. PERIOD. We're approaching 200,000 subscribers and 20 millions views by year's end. As far as channels owned by a single person (not a company), only Larry from AMMO NYC (who has been in some of my videos) has more subscribers. So by reading these posts here, I should feel horrible and shut down my channel. But the truth is a lot of people appreciate what I do for the detailing community and appreciate my videos. The proof is in the stats. If I was bad, I would have zero subscribers.

Now for the Negative Peters out there, I have this question... Why would people subscribe to my channel if my content isn't good?? Hmmm. I hope those Negative Peters aren't implying that my viewers are idiots. They're humans who want to learn how to take care of their cars and there's nothing wrong with that. I like to think that my videos make detailing ACCESSIBLE to the average Joe, the weekend warrior, and even pros who need to polish up on techniques or learn about new products and brands. I have been detailing cars for over 21 years and simply wanted to share my life's passion with my viewers. And thank God I'm blessed with an awesome audience. Because based on what I have been reading in replies from a few people in this post, it would make it seem that I can't do good videos.

Now another thing. To those Negative Peters. If you think you have the ultimate knowledge as it seems you to know what I SHOULD BE doing in my videos, why don't you start your own channel and see how you do? I'd be curious to see how thick skinned you would be if you let people knock on your door (because my channel is like my house for me, I let people into my life) and start bashing you and telling you why your videos are horrible...
 
Klasse Act said:
If he's talking about an entire product line he can't go into great detail about each product or the video would be long and lose 75% of the audience. I think Pan tries out products in different ways and brings the results of THOSE products to the masses. We don't know about the countless product he HAS tried out that didn't live up to expectations and that's because a review like that is negative and he just chooses not to go down that route. Trust in a reviewer is key and IMO if he's showing it it's been vetted and a great product.
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It seems you understand me and my style. Thank you.
 
Video: Trying P&S Bead Maker for the first time.

@Orangevee. You make yourself look so bad with every post...
Your little ego trip provides a chuckle... Actually, it’s more like a huge ego trip you’re on.

And speaking for me personally, I couldn’t care less about Bead Maker. I certainly don’t harbor any hate towards Renny Doyles Double Black line of products. I bought a gallon of Carpet Bomber and I’m happy with how it works. [I even posted a review]
So I don’t know where people even think there’s some sort of fanboyism going on 1 way or the other. I don’t see it.

At the same time I’ve already said that I probably won’t be getting some because I don’t really use the toppers I already have on my shelf. Beadmaker isnt the biggest buzz I’ve seen come around lately or anything worth talking about flying off the shelves or whatever. You act like theres a million views to your recent vid or something. Take it easy...
 
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Eldorado2k said:
@Orangevee. You make yourself look so bad with every post...
Your little ego trip provides a chuckle... Actually, it’s more like a huge ego trip you’re on.
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Hahahah. You always say you'll stop writing, you'll stop answering, you'll move on... Yet here you are OVER AND OVER again. You type a lot of crap, yet nobody understands your point. What point are you trying to make? Ok, you don't like Bead Maker. Congratulations. It amazes me how a product worth less than 20$ got you all pumped up. WOW. If that's all you need to start running your mouth and trying to denigrate others, I don't know how you go through life without people just not wanting to talk to you anymore. You're a "senior member" of this forum, yet all I read from you is negative comment after negative rant in this post. You're supposed to be the example for others and be polite and respectful.

There are ways to get a point across without having to bash or point fingers. I can just imagine you watching TV and looking at ads of things you don't like, and picking up the phone to call a given company and tell them how much crap their fries taste like. Then a bed sheets commercial comes on, and you disagree with the way they say it's the best cotton sheets, so you type up an e-mail blasting them and send it to their customer service. Then a peanut butter commercial comes on, and a football star endorses the product, so it HAS TO BE BAD right? So you go to the next game, meet up with the player and punch his lights out yelling "Stop saying that peanut butter is good!"

Now I really want you to start a channel and show us, oh grand master, how it's done. Show us how talented you are, and how people are just going to love everything you have to say. Show us how amazing you are (or think you are) because after all, I don't get a million views right? AHAHAH.

Now, I can't wait to see what garbage you'll type up next. Let me get my pop corn oh grand master. Oh wait, senior member.

Somebody in the management of this forum needs to put you back to your place. I'm pretty sure you think you have a special aura about yourself and that you're the best thing that happened to this earth since sliced bread. Well you sure don't impress me. But wait, you don't care about that right? :)
 
rangerbay said:
How many cars a year do you detail? Do you have a shop, mobile, or at home? I'm also curious how you can test thousands of products a year? In post 54, I think, you state you test thousands of products a year!


I do watch a lot of your videos, and like most of the ones I have seen. I appreciate all the hard work and effort that goes into producing these videos,

Bill
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No response?
 
Klasse Act said:
To think THIS product, at $10.00, brought out all this, simply amazing, you can't buy this type of publicity

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I think perhaps Eldo and OrangeVee are actually in on this together...drumming up imagined controversy to get Beadmaker out there in front of people!!! Its collusion, its conspiracy, its intrigue!!! Guerilla marketing at its finest!!

Call the Autogeek cops! No wait, they're just as biased towards Autogeek only products! Wherever can we find true objectivity??

Oh yeah, we can't...cuz this stuff is all a matter of opinion.

I watch some Pan vids, have no issues really, sponsored or not although that aspect does influence my perception just a bit...but so what? I consider them informational but certainly not the be all, end all of indisputable fact...I'll decide that for myself. They're entertaining as well and well done, IMO.

And if they aggravate one to the point of contention, why watch at all? We are not droogies here, unable to turn away...or are we?
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Just to chime in....

First - I have not read this thread or watched the video. Been a tick busy since returning from the Atlanta Roadshow testing products, taking pictures and writing reviews.


With the above said, I'd just like to point out something I've been pointing out for years now in threads like this one...

If you slow down and take a moment to think about it... the fact that we are all talking to one another on a car detailing discussion forum shows we have more in common than in differences.

Try your hardest to simply take the high road. A lot of people throw that cliche around kind of loosely but on this forum, do try to practice it. Maybe... take a moment to THINK about what your about to post and then before posting it... take a walk around the block and get some fresh air. Then re-think about what you wrote and ask yourself...

Is this really worth it?


Of course it's okay to disagree but seriously guys... we have more in common than we do in differences and there's enough room on this Planet Earth for everyone to have their own opinion, like or dislike their choice of detailing products and at the same time travel through this journey called life with more friends than enemies.


I met Pan at SEMA - super nice guy. I've met many of you via other venues and everyone I've met has always been the kind of person I would be happy to help me detail a car.


Peace :)
 
OrangeVee said:
That's exactly what I was telling myself. It's just insane. How an inexpensive product led to all this. 7 pages of back and forth about how some dislike my videos or my style. GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES! Don't people have better things to do? I'm amazed at how much wasted time there was typing up the reasons why some don't like my videos... Matt from Obsessed Garage had warned me about me liking Bead Maker. He took a lot of flack from his audience when he reviewed Bead Maker. And today, everyone wants it and it's flying out of his store shelves. I think a lot has to do that the product had been hyped in the past year, so people simply assume it's not a good product. Well, it is a great product. I don't care what anyone says. It works in my world, in my conditions. Everyone around me who has tried it now can't live without it. If people don't like it, well that's ok too. Just move on with your life and stick to what works for you.

I have to focus on the fact my channel is still one of the biggest car detailing channels on YouTube. PERIOD. We're approaching 200,000 subscribers and 20 millions views by year's end. As far as channels owned by a single person (not a company), only Larry from AMMO NYC (who has been in some of my videos) has more subscribers. So by reading these posts here, I should feel horrible and shut down my channel. But the truth is a lot of people appreciate what I do for the detailing community and appreciate my videos. The proof is in the stats. If I was bad, I would have zero subscribers.

Now for the Negative Peters out there, I have this question... Why would people subscribe to my channel if my content isn't good?? Hmmm. I hope those Negative Peters aren't implying that my viewers are idiots. They're humans who want to learn how to take care of their cars and there's nothing wrong with that. I like to think that my videos make detailing ACCESSIBLE to the average Joe, the weekend warrior, and even pros who need to polish up on techniques or learn about new products and brands. I have been detailing cars for over 21 years and simply wanted to share my life's passion with my viewers. And thank God I'm blessed with an awesome audience. Because based on what I have been reading in replies from a few people in this post, it would make it seem that I can't do good videos.

Now another thing. To those Negative Peters. If you think you have the ultimate knowledge as it seems you to know what I SHOULD BE doing in my videos, why don't you start your own channel and see how you do? I'd be curious to see how thick skinned you would be if you let people knock on your door (because my channel is like my house for me, I let people into my life) and start bashing you and telling you why your videos are horrible...
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