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[Setec Astronomy]

I was just looking at new gmc pickups on the world wide web, and they have self driving assist tech now with a bunch of cameras and sensors for keeping you between the lines? How lazy they are making humans

Hey man, that's so you can post on the forum on your phone without going out of your lane!

 

[chilly]

I was just looking at new gmc pickups on the world wide web, and they have self driving assist tech now with a bunch of cameras and sensors for keeping you between the lines? How lazy they are making humans

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I have switched that on in both the newer cars a time or two and it kind of freaks me out when the wheel turns a bit against my input because it wants to be centered between the lines

It gets a little bit nutty when the lines are covered with snow or you go by an exit and it loses sight of the line and it will ping at you

You can't go hands free or it senses it and pings you after a few seconds

The newer one even has a camera on the top of the steering column that watches you and lets you know if you are looking away for too long, if it sees your head slump and thinks you might have drifted off, etc

It can get pretty intrusive and annoying, but you can turn all that off

I leave the camera that looks at me on, just in case

 

[opie2]

I have switched that on in both the newer cars a time or two and it kind of freaks me out when the wheel turns a bit against my input because it wants to be centered between the lines

It gets a little bit nutty when the lines are covered with snow or you go by an exit and it loses sight of the line and it will ping at you

You can't go hands free or it senses it and pings you after a few seconds

The newer one even has a camera on the top of the steering column that watches you and lets you know if you are looking away for too long, if it sees your head slump and thinks you might have drifted off, etc

It can get pretty intrusive and annoying, but you can turn all that off

I leave the camera that looks at me on, just in case

Oh wow thats all pretty scary. I would put a tape over that camera even if its "off". Its just like our phones, id you canylt take oit that battery power source...then it is not off.

Its definatly sad about how much tech is intertwined into things now.

I think about when i decide to upgrade my truck and how long i like to keep things. I only drive it average 2000-3000 a year. So in 10-20 years if something starts acting up, i wont have the ability to fix half of it. Could be a "simple fix" but i wont have the computer software ability to do it for instance

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[Setec Astronomy]

It gets a little bit nutty when the lines are covered with snow or you go by an exit and it loses sight of the line and it will ping at you

That's the thing I always think about with these "self-driving" cars, is when there is snow and it can't see where the lines or curbs or whatever are, or night/rain/etc.

I actually watched a PBS show some years ago where they were at a lab where they were testing the software for (real) self-driving cars, and how we sell ourselves short as far as the processing required for a lot of driving tasks. They had (manually) driven a car around Boston with all the cameras etc. that a self-driving car would have, then they took all that input back to the lab to see how the software would process it.

One of the things that was really hard for the software to process was how to make a left turn through oncoming traffic, the calculation that we humans make (mostly successfully) to decide if there is enough room/time to make the turn based on the gap and speed of the oncoming traffic was very difficult for the software.

Also there was a pizza delivery guy on the side of the street, taking pizza boxes out of the back of a minivan or SUV, the software identified the vehicle on the side of the road, identified the driver as someone who might cross, but then he hoisted the pizza boxes onto his shoulder, which changed his silhouette, and the software no longer recognized him as a human, and would not have stopped if he had crossed the road in front of the car.

 

[chilly]

That's the thing I always think about with these "self-driving" cars, is when there is snow and it can't see where the lines or curbs or whatever are, or night/rain/etc.

I actually watched a PBS show some years ago where they were at a lab where they were testing the software for (real) self-driving cars, and how we sell ourselves short as far as the processing required for a lot of driving tasks. They had (manually) driven a car around Boston with all the cameras etc. that a self-driving car would have, then they took all that input back to the lab to see how the software would process it.

One of the things that was really hard for the software to process was how to make a left turn through oncoming traffic, the calculation that we humans make (mostly successfully) to decide if there is enough room/time to make the turn based on the gap and speed of the oncoming traffic was very difficult for the software.

Also there was a pizza delivery guy on the side of the street, taking pizza boxes out of the back of a minivan or SUV, the software identified the vehicle on the side of the road, identified the driver as someone who might cross, but then he hoisted the pizza boxes onto his shoulder, which changed his silhouette, and the software no longer recognized him as a human, and would not have stopped if he had crossed the road in front of the car.

Honestly until we get to 100% self drive and it is basically a slot car following a guide or a buried cable and nothing can pass you or get close enough to the car that just parked itself and opened it's doors, then I give it a hard pass

And in America, at least, with our ingrained need for individuality in all things, I don't see that day coming unless it is a draconian and dystopian situation in the far far future

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I'm not sure if it was that show or not, but somewhere I saw/read that "real" self-driving cars were going to cost $150K (and this was some years ago), and that the market for that was not consumers but the companies like Uber and Lyft, so that they could ditch the drivers. Those cars had Lidar and cameras all over the car. Like this:

Self-Driving Cars Are Being Put on a Data Diet

Growing fleets, fancier sensors, and tighter budgets are forcing autonomous vehicle developers to get pickier about what stays on their servers.

www.wired.com

 

[chilly]

Oh wow thats all pretty scary. I would put a tape over that camera even if its "off". Its just like our phones, id you canylt take oit that battery power source...then it is not off.

Its definatly sad about how much tech is intertwined into things now.

I think about when i decide to upgrade my truck and how long i like to keep things. I only drive it average 2000-3000 a year. So in 10-20 years if something starts acting up, i wont have the ability to fix half of it. Could be a "simple fix" but i wont have the computer software ability to do it for instance

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This is one reason I have kept my 2008 4Runner, I can and have fixed almost everything that has ever gone wrong with it, which is a very short list

The newer cars?

Not a chance, beyond changing wiper blades probably

 

[chilly]

Oh wow thats all pretty scary. I would put a tape over that camera even if its "off". Its just like our phones, id you canylt take oit that battery power source...then it is not off.

Its definatly sad about how much tech is intertwined into things now.

I think about when i decide to upgrade my truck and how long i like to keep things. I only drive it average 2000-3000 a year. So in 10-20 years if something starts acting up, i wont have the ability to fix half of it. Could be a "simple fix" but i wont have the computer software ability to do it for instance

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The boss showed me a UToob short the other day, a guy freaking out about the sticker price on a pickup, saying he thought it was a phone number and not the price

It was in excess of $200,000

She showed it to me quickly and then kept scrolling so I didn't see any details and I have no idea how truthful, or not, it could be

I know the Lexus I WANTED to buy last February was quite a bit north of $100,000 but that was crazy enough, and they didn't have one and couldn't get one in the time frame I needed

Actually please it worked out that way

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Apparently I'm out of the loop on new car pricing. The last, um...3 now that I think about it, were leftovers, well, two were actual leftovers (previous model year), the other I got on blowout, or as we used to call it, "rebate" pricing to clear the lot.

 

[Daviddear30]

The truck rack I built yesterday has already started evolving

Added a mobile base- the casters can raise off the floor for stability and then extend down and lift the rack up onto the wheels for mobility.


My main kayak will stay on top of the rack

The vibe loaner kayak is up on the hoist. The rack will stay in garage unless we are loading 2+ kayaks on my truck

These cable ties with a hole for a screw are awesome for cable tie downs etc

I added bungee under the tip rails to leave my extra paddle for anyone that may need one

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[chilly]

Apparently I'm out of the loop on new car pricing. The last, um...3 now that I think about it, were leftovers, well, two were actual leftovers (previous model year), the other I got on blowout, or as we used to call it, "rebate" pricing to clear the lot.

We have owned houses with smaller monthly payments than the newer car

 

[MisterSnoop]

Finding the cost of charging on line is not easy

As stated earlier there are LOTS of companies offering charging stations and each has their own pricing structure

Below are screen shots from the 2 that I could actually find that listed pricing, although the pricing from the Tesla website only shows non Tesla rates, which seems odd

I have to assume if you have a Tesla you are in the club and get an app and a secret handshake and us mere mortals don't get to play

For the others, I guess prices fluctuate just like the price of gas so they don't want to publish prices

IDK

From articles I've seen, fast charger rates can run you up to $30/charge

 

[Setec Astronomy]

We have owned houses with smaller monthly payments than the newer car

Ha ha, I think I've told this story here before, but I used to work with a guy who commuted in a POS, one day he's driving some fancy-looking Toyota SUV, so I say "new car"? and he says "no, it's my wife's. Damn thing cost more than my second house, not my first house, my SECOND house".

 

[chilly]

From articles I've seen, fast charger rates can run you up to $30/charge

Wow, I would be curious to see Hawaii rates since they have the highest electric rates in the country

I could fill the little car for that and go well over 400 miles so I will call that a win, plus the cold isn't going to mess with me if I have to park outdoors for any length of time

 

[chilly]

Ha ha, I think I've told this story here before, but I used to work with a guy who commuted in a POS, one day he's driving some fancy-looking Toyota SUV, so I say "new car"? and he says "no, it's my wife's. Damn thing cost more than my second house, not my first house, my SECOND house".

You have, now that I think about it, but that doesn't make it any less relevant and true

It is a scary proposition

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You have, now that I think about it, but that doesn't make it any less relevant and true

It is a scary proposition

Well, that was 20+ years ago, and the guy was early 60's then, so his first and second houses might have been bought in the 1960's, second house maybe early 1970's, so a world away from today's housing costs.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

I had to go to the dentist today. I broke a filling on Sunday, and today was the earliest I could get in. Half an hour in the chair and they hit me over $400, and I didn't use any anaesthetic. But I'm so happy I don't have a spiky tooth poking into the side of my tongue any more.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

I actually did this a couple of months ago, I'm pretty sure I didn't share at the time, as it was when I was locked out. But I made a custom phone mount for the Qashqai. I tried a windshield mount, but that will cook your phone over here in summer and I hate sticking things to the glass. I also tried a vent mount but that kept falling out of the vent. So I used the magnetic attachment from the vent mount on a small L bracket that I screwed up under the centre console, nicely hidden so no one will see the holes when I remove it. The base of the phone sits on the plastic just behind the silver trim, so it's very secure. If I need to charge it I'll just turn it to landscape. When I'm driving I like to use Waze, it's very good for letting me know where the Fuzz is hiding.

 

[Klasse Act]

"The Fuzz"...great old term Dave, my late Dad used it as well! Radar detectors were called "Fuzz Busters" back in the 70's, ahhh the memories

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[Bosko]

"The Fuzz"...great old term Dave, my late Dad used it as well! Radar detectors were called "Fuzz Busters" back in the 70's, ahhh the memories

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It was actually the brand name....1977