Who here DOES NOT like rinseless washes?

[Christopher.Brown]

I always thought that using a foam gun/cannon main purpose is to add an extra layer of soap for protection between the bare clear coat and the wash mitt to prevent swirls, marring etc.. Not to "lift" dirt off the surface, im not sure what shampoo does that and even if its that much more effective than a 2k psi pressure wash rinse.

i wouldnt say "lift".. id say a thick layer of the foam helps to "ENCAPSULATE THE DIRT" and, paired with light pressure and proper technique, to help lubricate dirt and grime, thus MINIMIZING the amount of marring during washing.

Because, no matter how you slice it, dirt is being abraded against the surface.. leaving micro abrasions... we just wanna make as few as humanly possible because we already spent TOO MANY hours caring for the paints surface

 

[c8n]

and my point is..if your already foaming and PW the car..why would you even rinseless. is it that much harder to rinse off the soap I mean you already got the PW out and the hose out..Might as well just finish it that way. I know I would just bucket wash it if I already did all that to it.

If you can save 5 minutes and the added labor without causing any harm, why wouldn't you? Unless you feel rinseless does more harm than good, then that's another discussion.

 

[c8n]

I always thought that using a foam gun/cannon main purpose is to add an extra layer of soap for protection between the bare clear coat and the wash mitt to prevent swirls, marring etc.. Not to "lift" dirt off the surface, im not sure what shampoo does that and even if its that much more effective than a 2k psi pressure wash rinse.

This is my theory.... feel free to correct any misconception I might have.
Whenever you let moisture sit on a stain, it will hydrate it and expand. In essence, by expanding, it will pull itself apart and loosen up. Like water, foam has moisture but unlike water, it will sit longer and not sheet off readily hence giving it more time to hydrate.

 

[JHL88]

i wouldnt say "lift".. id say a thick layer of the foam helps to "ENCAPSULATE THE DIRT" and, paired with light pressure and proper technique, to help lubricate dirt and grime, thus MINIMIZING the amount of marring during washing.

Because, no matter how you slice it, dirt is being abraded against the surface.. leaving micro abrasions... we just wanna make as few as humanly possible because we already spent TOO MANY hours caring for the paints surface

Most of the time i do put a few ounces of waterless wash with my shampoo in my foam cannon and i notice that it makes it cling to my paint longer than just with shampoo and has more lubricity as well. I highly recommend it :xyxthumbs:

 

[JHL88]

This is my theory.... feel free to correct any misconception I might have.
Whenever you let moisture sit on a stain, it will hydrate it and expand. In essence, by expanding, it will pull itself apart and loosen up. Like water, foam has moisture but unlike water, it will sit longer and not sheet off readily hence giving it more time to hydrate.

That makes sense to me. I guess the key is like was mentioned above, is to let it dwell for a minute

 

[swanicyouth]

if your blasting the car with foam and a PW whats the point in even doing the rinseless at that point..You might as well just do the regular bucket wash because already have removed the fast and easy part of rinseless

It's a bit faster, and I like the results rinseless products often give better. You are drying the car as you go. Plus you need to get out less stuff and its easier to bring a 3 gallon bucket to the pay n spray than two 5 gallons.

 

[glen e]

It blows it away because the polymers used to lubricate the paint give an amazing shine and appearance. I have had many people come out after I'm done with the wash step thinking ive already polished and waxed. I tell them about onr and they go make an order. I've converted almost every client I have that washes their own vehicle by hand to onr washes.

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exactly my findings too - it "rewaxes" the car, in essence...the car glosses more than water wash...

 

[VP Mark]

exactly my findings too - it "rewaxes" the car, in essence...the car glosses more than water wash...

The proof in the pudding of that is that an onr wash a week will basically make a car bead indefinitely. Especially if you are using onr with wax

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[jrs1418]

There are better waterless/rinseless products than ONR and UWW out there.. I'm not sharing though!

 

[glen e]

There are better waterless/rinseless products than ONR and UWW out there.. I'm not sharing though!

Ive used ONR, ONR/wax, BF, Detailers, Turtle wax and Duragloss.....

for me, taking all into factors play the Duragloss is the best buy out there - esp from their website with reduced shipping....

 

[gye]

If using a pressure washer do you even need to foam? On a regular wash does the foam do anything other than look cool? (Which is why I use it most of the time.) I usually can pressure wash then go straight to a rinseless if I choose. But if I drag out the pressure washer and hose and stuff, why not do a regular wash.

With that said I do 2BM & Rinseless depending on my mood, cleanliness of the vehicle, time available, and overall goal.

I agree....I got a foam lance and I think it's the product that I've gotten with the least amount of return on the investment (and I bought it for half the price they sell it for here). It looks very cool but it doesn't save time at all; all the contrary, it takes much longer.

On the rinseless question, add me to the list of people who don't use it. I rather do the 2 bucket method or "waterless" if there's only light dust.

Now coming this winter I might give rinseless another chance. I live in the Northeast and the outside spigot remains shut from late November to at least March. On the other hand, I'm already thinking how to run a hose from the laundry to the driveway to use the pressure washer.

 

[melF1fan]

There are better waterless/rinseless products than ONR and UWW out there.. I'm not sharing though!

Ive used ONR, ONR/wax, BF, Detailers, Turtle wax and Duragloss.....

for me, taking all into factors play the Duragloss is the best buy out there - esp from their website with reduced shipping....

ONR is great but lately i really like Wolf's Mean Green and Meg's Rinsless!!

 

[Klasse Act]

Ive used ONR, ONR/wax, BF, Detailers, Turtle wax and Duragloss.....

for me, taking all into factors play the Duragloss is the best buy out there - esp from their website with reduced shipping....

I too have used all, sans the ONR/wax and feel DG is best because of AW being infused into the product and because of that, its the best rinseless wash I've used but its not to say I didn't like the others, ONR got me on board, then DP showed me how the product could "stick" to the paint better and Turtle Wax showed me that a mainstream company can actually produce a competitive product from a useage standpoint (but not from a cost/amount needed to work standpoint).

Now, forgive me for not having read all about foam cannons, but let me see if I got this right. You put your choice of shampoo into the foam cannon, hook up your hose and then you spray the water/foam mix all over your car....then wipe down and clean.....then rinse....then dry? If so, how could all that be more efficient than doing a rinseless wash?

Then there's waterless wash, buy it by the gallon is surely going to cost you less, like anything else out there and with this you spray an amount where you feel you've got enough to not only cover the entire panel your working on but then use a mf towel to wipe the panel, flipping over once a quarter of the mf towel gets dirty and possibly grabbing yet another mf towel to wipe off the haze or remaining product. If this is true your going to going through a lot of mf towels, right?

Then there's rinseless wash where you add 1 oz of product, 2 gallons of water in there, take another bucket and fill it with about 2 gallons of water for rinse, take your wash media and either do a panel at a time if your outside or do the entire car, dunking and cleaning your wash media after every panel and THEN drying off the entire car. The leftover used to do the tires/wheels and possibly the wheelwells, if you can get to them.

Conclusion for me anyways:

Rinseless wash is quicker, easier and less hassle than the other 2 methods....oh yeah, don't forget the "old school" method either, so that makes 3. If I missed something here, please let me know, thanks, just a huge fan of rinseless wash, nothing more, nothing less!

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[yakky]

There are better waterless/rinseless products than ONR and UWW out there.. I'm not sharing though!

Oh for sure, I know this old man that lives in a shack on the side of a mountain. He makes this waterless wash for me that you spray on and it instantly removes dirt and it corrects swirls as well. I'm not sharing though!

 

[Z7What]

I have not done one and dont ever plan to but i think the reasoning behind it is that im afraid of the unknown. I not sure of the correct procedure on how to do it. Until then i will stick to bucket washing. Only time i do a no rinse or quick detail is if the truck was washed a day or two ago and is still clean.

Wayne

Wayne

 

[Klasse Act]

I have not done one and dont ever plan to but i think the reasoning behind it is that im afraid of the unknown. I not sure of the correct procedure on how to do it. Until then i will stick to bucket washing. Only time i do a no rinse or quick detail is if the truck was washed a day or two ago and is still clean.

Wayne

Wayne

Hey there Wayne, what do you mean by the "unknown" and correct procedure?

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[Bunky]

I not sure of the correct procedure on how to do it.

There is the concept but just variations so not everyone uses the same procedure. If you want to get the feel, just do it on anything - paint, glass, a metal gas grill, etc.

For example, I pre-soak the car with rinseless (uses about 16 oz) and use a two bucket method with rinseless in both buckets. I do not use one mitt per wipe but one mitt per section (roof, hood, etc) which some do in one wipe/towel

I have seen some videos showing one wipe over an entire section (top of door to rockers) which I think is less safe than breaking it down and rinsing in between.
With a mitt, I can control pressure better and it has two easy to access sides.

 

[El Flaco Taco]

Soo. Did my first Rinseless today. GDWM. 02 Tahoe. View attachment 19719 Screen shot of how long it took. The split time is when I was done with the paint and starting on the wheels. (Excluding Wheel wells) Thought they were just too dirty. I'm just going to say I don't think I could have done 2BM in that amount of time. Never actually timed myself though so I could be wrong. At any rate I think this is the method I will use to maintain my vehicle.

 

[hellfst]

Who here does not like rinseless car washes? I do rinseless washes about 25% of the time. For me it seems that a rinseless wash takes much longer than a traditional two bucket wash especially if:
1)i'm doing the "Garry Dean" method cause now i have a dozen+ MF towels that need to be machine washed.
2)there are any heavily soiled areas of the vehicles such as the wheels.

I do rinseless wash on all of my customers vehicles. It is a real time consuming because most of the people i get haven't washed their vehicles in a long time!
Another thing I am starting not to like about some rinseless products is the static charge left behind.
I have a 2013 4runner. I have performed turtle wax Rinse Free since I got it. I hate it that after a couple of hours, there is so much dust stuck on the paint I can't believe it. The finish stays Rougher than a night in jail!
Not to include the windows, I use a separate product and I get these nasty white beads all over the windows. I know I am doing it correctly. But here in Houston, you can't have a mobile car wash If you are using water....

 

[Klasse Act]

I do rinseless wash on all of my customers vehicles. It is a real time consuming because most of the people i get haven't washed their vehicles in a long time!
Another thing I am starting not to like about some rinseless products is the static charge left behind.
I have a 2013 4runner. I have performed turtle wax Rinse Free since I got it. I hate it that after a couple of hours, there is so much dust stuck on the paint I can't believe it. The finish stays Rougher than a night in jail!
Not to include the windows, I use a separate product and I get these nasty white beads all over the windows. I know I am doing it correctly. But here in Houston, you can't have a mobile car wash If you are using water....

Can't use water with a mobile service, that sucks! It also sucks about the rinseless wash being time consumng for you, maybe it is how bad the cars are but I've done a couple real dirty cars and only noticed the rinse water getting dirty a lot faster, LOL! As far as the static electricity goes, can't say I've ever, ever had that problem either or the dusting problem....ever!

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