Wolfgang paint sealant why have you forsaken me?

madbomber08 said:
Just to clarify,(1) does anyone think this product is just crap? I'm hoping it's (2) just user error on my part.

In order I washed, clayed, Swirl remover, sealant.
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Neither of the two, IMHO hand.
However, the sooner they are removed, the lesser the damage, if any.
 
i use wg sealant on my camaro...it sits in the garage....last wash of last season was in lat october or early november...2 bucket wash with griots car wash, 2 bucket method, dried with leaf blower and wiped dry with griots speed shine. sat in the garage without a cover....lots of dust and film....i got the rear bumper wet last week while washing my truck and did not have anything close to the water spots you did.

washed the camaro this passed weekend with the same method as above....not water spots.

not sure what gives.
 
Jaretr1 said:
Ok, the problem might be a few issues. If you were using a 10" buffer, you probably werent really getting the abrasives in the polish to break down and effectively do what it needed to do. Therefore, my guess is the paint is still in far from perfect condition. Those giant polishers are more for spreading wax than any effective correction work.

Secondly you parked under a tree. So as it was raining, the rain was washing all the stuff that the tree has been collecting off and onto whatever was underneath it (your car).

If you are trying just to get some of the oxidized paint off and get it somewhat shinyer, you might want to just try a cleaner wax. One step, ok results, and you are done.

When it rains, and my car is not underneath anything, it does dry relatively clean. There will always be some water spots, but they usually come right off (regardless of whats on top of my paint). WGDGPS I do believe has a longer curing time than most sealants, so its also possible it had not completely cured in 12 hours, especially in high humidity.

More often than not, its more about the process than the products themselves, and perhaps you arent using the right products and process to achieve the results you are hoping for.
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It was a 10" buffer but it was an orbital/oscillating buffer. My friend's dad bought it for his boat :bash:. I used a foam bonnet to distribute the swirl remover. As for the oxidized paint, it not necessarily oxidized, the clear coat is just gone and the paint is starting to fade. I'm pretty sure that the paint is already damaged permanently and just want to stop it from getting worse(although I'm no expert, obviously - lol). It lived in Arizona and Colorado for 10 years of its life so the paint is not the best.

One thing I did not mention is I used a microfiber applicating pad to distribute the sealant. Autogeek said to use a foam applicator, but I didn't order one online and I could find a single thing like it in any auto parts store. I was half tempted to use a sponge but I didn't.
 
magna_power said:
I'm now to this but I do understand the science side pretty well. Nothing stops rain spots. After it stops raining there will be water drops on you car, nicely beaded if you've waxed it. When the water evaporates it leaves behind any minerals that are in the water. A good sealant will stop these minerals from eating into your paint, making them easier to remove (ie, wash your car). Hope this helps.
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Agree 100%. The sealant has nothing to do with there being water spots. Water spots will always form when water droplets form on paint, collect dust/dirt/etc, and then dry.
 
madbomber08 said:
As for the oxidized paint, it not necessarily oxidized, the clear coat is just gone and the paint is starting to fade. I'm pretty sure that the paint is already damaged permanently and just want to stop it from getting worse(although I'm no expert, obviously - lol). It lived in Arizona and Colorado for 10 years of its life so the paint is not the best.
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That there, is the problem. Sealant is not an alternative to a clear coat. No clear coat, wax and sealants wont bond to just paint.

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At risk of sounding very stupid here, isn't clear coat "just paint"? Just without the colour....
 
2 problems going on here. First, if the clear coat is shot, then yeah nothing short of a re-paint is really going to help it. Second is that the 10" buffer is just a wax spreader. It's just not capable of actually polishing the surface and getting it ready for sealant. This explains why your roof shot that you said you used the swirl remover on still looks completely swirled. If your clear coat is NOT shot and is instead just oxidized (i.e. you haven't had it peel off), then you should look into getting a true DA polisher like the Porter Cable, Meguiars, or Griot's, and some foam cutting/polishing/finishing pads.
 
flyinion said:
2 problems going on here. First, if the clear coat is shot, then yeah nothing short of a re-paint is really going to help it. Second is that the 10" buffer is just a wax spreader. It's just not capable of actually polishing the surface and getting it ready for sealant. This explains why your roof shot that you said you used the swirl remover on still looks completely swirled. If your clear coat is NOT shot and is instead just oxidized (i.e. you haven't had it peel off), then you should look into getting a true DA polisher like the Porter Cable, Meguiars, or Griot's, and some foam cutting/polishing/finishing pads.
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I'm thorougly confused. To be quite honest I don't know whether it's oxidized or the clear coat is fading away on the roof, it has never peeled off. And that still doesn't explain the water spots on the hood, the hood paint is less then a year old.
 
madbomber08 said:
I'm thorougly confused. To be quite honest I don't know whether it's oxidized or the clear coat is fading away on the roof, it has never peeled off. And that still doesn't explain the water spots on the hood, the hood paint is less then a year old.
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If it hasn't peeled off, then you still have clearcoat, though the color underneath might be a bit faded from UV or just look like it from oxidation. As far as water spots on the hood with new paint, again it could be the paint isn't prepped because of the buffer issue, or (and this is just an enthusiast's guess from what I've read from the pro's around here) maybe the paint job was poor? Anyway, here's a couple examples of what a proper DA polisher can do with just one round of wolfgang swirl remover on an orange cutting pad. It's the hood of my Dad's 2004 F150 that I polished last year. Note how oxidized it was and then the black is brought out and the reflection of the light looks sharper. The water spots in this case were etched into the hood though. The second pic is another angle that shows the oxidized vs. polished better.

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I still say those water spots were there before the WGDGPS was applied. They are not the size and shape of spots on a new LSP. And since we now know that a wax spreader was used instead if a proper machine, existing spots would not have been removed.
I think one way to test would be to get the car wet again. If the water beads differently than the spots, the spots were not just created but have been there the whole time. Also just because the paint on the hood is only a year old doesn't mean it can't have spots.
 
TornadoRed said:
I still say those water spots were there before the WGDGPS was applied. They are not the size and shape of spots on a new LSP. And since we now know that a wax spreader was used instead if a proper machine, existing spots would not have been removed.
I think one way to test would be to get the car wet again. If the water beads differently than the spots, the spots were not just created but have been there the whole time. Also just because the paint on the hood is only a year old doesn't mean it can't have spots.
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I must agree, I'm forced to park outside, and usually under a gigantic tree. I've NEVER had spots like that after a rain, or sprinkle. Maybe those were there before?

I don't use Wolfgang products, Chemical guys, has been pretty good to me though.
 
robovalzuniga said:
I must agree, I'm forced to park outside, and usually under a gigantic tree. I've NEVER had spots like that after a rain, or sprinkle. Maybe those were there before?

I don't use Wolfgang products, Chemical guys, has been pretty good to me though.
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Well don't try anything else. Cause once you do, you'll realize how crappy CG polishes/waxes are and become pissed that you wasted your money on it lol.
 
The suspense is killing me!!! Has the OP washed the car yet to see if the spots were removable?:laughing:
 
tuscarora dave said:
The suspense is killing me!!! Has the OP washed the car yet to see if the spots were removable?:laughing:
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Haha, it rained today so I figured washing it to see if the spots would come out would be a waste of time. I might get to it tomorrow, but it's supposed to be only 60 degrees so I may panzy out. For some positive news, the water still beaded upon both the hood and roof regardless of the existing water spots. As far as the spots being there before I applied the sealant, I'm nearly 100% sure they were not. If they were present, they've been there for 2 years since I bought the vehicle, and were so insignificant they weren't noticeable.

If washing doesn't remove the spots it looks like I'll be spending quite a bit of money on the PC 7424XP :(. I was just trying to save some money!
 
Mobile detail said:
Well don't try anything else. Cause once you do, you'll realize how crappy CG polishes/waxes are and become pissed that you wasted your money on it lol.
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Hey Mobile, would you mind please sending me a private message? I am curious about your insight on Chemical Guys, I have know about them for years and years, but until last week never used their products because honestly 'something' about their company and image/reputation has always left me skeptical. I'm NOT trying to put them down in any way, because I actually just ordered a few GALLONS of their products, including their washes and also the new V7 Optical Paint Sealant.

Perhaps I should just stick with Ultima and Meg's, but I am always looking to try new products... so please fill me in on your findings, I love honest feedback when it comes from the voices of experience, thanks! :)
 
Mobile detail said:
Well don't try anything else. Cause once you do, you'll realize how crappy CG polishes/waxes are and become pissed that you wasted your money on it lol.
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The real Lol are adults getting offended at suggestions that a high priced product may OR may not perform better than a not so expensive product.

To your less than eloquently stated position, yes CG makes plenty of sub par products. But I've used a few that really hit the ball out if the ball park.

Like, V7, Black light, 50/50 wax, and Citrus Wash & Gloss.

Zaino much? Lol.
 
robovalzuniga said:
The real Lol are adults getting offended at suggestions that a high priced product may OR may not perform better than a not so expensive product.

To your less than eloquently stated position, yes CG makes plenty of sub par products. But I've used a few that really hit the ball out if the ball park.

Like, V7, Black light, 50/50 wax, and Citrus Wash & Gloss.

Zaino much? Lol.
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V7 is in the mail, I've never tried it, but it has such good feedback, I bought a gallon off the bat.

What would you say is best for stripping a car to start from scratch, taking off all wax (and of course dirt, at the same time)? I have always relied on the old standby Dawn, but does something else exist much better for this specific purpose?
 
Dynamic_Detailing said:
V7 is in the mail, I've never tried it, but it has such good feedback, I bought a gallon off the bat.

What would you say is best for stripping a car to start from scratch, taking off all wax (and of course dirt, at the same time)? I have always relied on the old standby Dawn, but does something else exist much better for this specific purpose?
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Well if you want to strip and oxidize your paint, then go for it..........


There are many products(prob one+ per brand) to suit this need.
 
Well guys, here's my poor excuse for a picture. The sun was too far down to get a good glare pic so this is one is the best I could do with the sub-par camera.

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So I washed it at the wand wash and ended up with this. I was impressed with how well the water still beaded on the whole vehicle. When i was powerwashing the doors, the water was just hitting them and beading straight to the ground--pretty epic. I'm wondering now if it's even worth trying the instant detailer because the spots are etched into the surface. Hard scrubbing with my hand didn't even get one small spot out.

So what do you suggest next fellas? Thanks for all the help already.
 
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