Negative effects of spreading dumb disinformation…

I don't see the issue with foaming twice. My line of thinking has always been to get as much dirt off the vehicle as possible before doing a contact wash. Plus you can always use an inexpensive soap such as Meguiar's Gold Class or Hyper Wash.

To an extent, I do agree that if someone foams and then goes straight to the contact wash, they are rubbing the dirt into the paint. In my opinion, a much safer method would be to rinse the foam off to remove most of the dirt and then either foam again followed by a bucket wash or go straight to a bucket wash without foaming again.

As far as using the pressure washer, would you rather rub dry dirt against your car or mud? I'm sure everyone would agree the answer is mud. For this reason, I would foam first (or at least soak the car with water using low pressure) to soften any dirt, then do a high pressure rinse.

Eldo’s main thing is Ivan says you should pre foam, rinse to remove dirt and that he says just using PW to rinse before foaming or washing can cause swirls.

Eldo asked him to prove it and his response is we don’t purposely damage cars…


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I agree, he’s a salesman and the guy behind the “House of Rags” account [btw what a blatant rip off of a name from Rag Company that was. Lol] is a detailing enthusiast.

One of the founders of The House Of Rags owes some of his success to The Rag Company. At one point, Jamie was a TRC "gram-bassador", which is basically TRC sending out a bunch of free towels and products in return for social media content (Instagram/Youtube ect) spread across a 3-month period. From memory, he was named "gram-bassador" of the year, and was given a hosting role at the TRCMA livestream. P&S even made a special edition detail spray in his honor (Clean-Maker). So, he made significant personal gain from playing the social-media gravy train, and TRC were very much part of that.

And how does this guy replay the TRC generosity? By creating his own detailing supply company selling similar products under an all too-obvious company name rip-off. And get this, instead of stocking TRC towels, he went in another direction and sells a competitor brand. What nice F/U to TRC, no wonder they didn't have him back at TRCMA event this year.

And people wonder why some of us here really don't want to play with THOR, Pan, DIY............................................
 
One of the founders of The House Of Rags owes some of his success to The Rag Company. At one point, Jamie was a TRC "gram-bassador", which is basically TRC sending out a bunch of free towels and products in return for social media content (Instagram/Youtube ect) spread across a 3-month period. From memory, he was named "gram-bassador" of the year, and was given a hosting role at the TRCMA livestream. P&S even made a special edition detail spray in his honor (Clean-Maker). So, he made significant personal gain from playing the social-media gravy train, and TRC were very much part of that.

And how does this guy replay the TRC generosity? By creating his own detailing supply company selling similar products under an all too-obvious company name rip-off. And get this, instead of stocking TRC towels, he went in another direction and sells a competitor brand. What nice F/U to TRC, no wonder they didn't have him back at TRCMA event this year.

And people wonder why some of us here really don't want to play with THOR, Pan, DIY............................................


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One of the founders of The House Of Rags owes some of his success to The Rag Company. At one point, Jamie was a TRC "gram-bassador", which is basically TRC sending out a bunch of free towels and products in return for social media content (Instagram/Youtube ect) spread across a 3-month period. From memory, he was named "gram-bassador" of the year, and was given a hosting role at the TRCMA livestream. P&S even made a special edition detail spray in his honor (Clean-Maker). So, he made significant personal gain from playing the social-media gravy train, and TRC were very much part of that.

And how does this guy replay the TRC generosity? By creating his own detailing supply company selling similar products under an all too-obvious company name rip-off. And get this, instead of stocking TRC towels, he went in another direction and sells a competitor brand. What nice F/U to TRC, no wonder they didn't have him back at TRCMA event this year.

And people wonder why some of us here really don't want to play with THOR, Pan, DIY............................................

Wow I wasn’t aware of that information. That’s rich. Lol. I do recall seeing a Rag Company video where they acknowledge the House of Rags for what might’ve been the 1st time and the look on their faces was somewhat disgusted. I didn’t really know the details, so I couldn’t call it. Lol.
 
Wow I wasn’t aware of that information. That’s rich. Lol. I do recall seeing a Rag Company video where they acknowledge the House of Rags for what might’ve been the 1st time and the look on their faces was somewhat disgusted. I didn’t really know the details, so I couldn’t call it. Lol.
I didn't see that, but I was kind of surprised by the cordial relationship between TRC and Autofiber, I guess it must have been SEMA 2023 when TRC took their livestream into the AutoFiber booth and had Ian show them his new products. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, I guess.
 
And people wonder why some of us here really don't want to play with THOR, Pan, DIY............................................
What amazes me is some people are sucked in by their shtick. Which at least to me is painfully obvious.

While most of them are/were detailers at one point they have crossed an imaginary line. They are salesman.
Although i will admit occasionally they pass on some good detailing info/tips make no mistake they are on that screen to sell.
 
What amazes me is some people are sucked in by their shtick. Which at least to me is painfully obvious.

While most of them are/were detailers at one point they have crossed an imaginary line. They are salesman.
Although i will admit occasionally they pass on some good detailing info/tips make no mistake they are on that screen to sell.
No interest in influencer brands.

This whole phenomenon is gross to me.
 
Wow I wasn’t aware of that information. That’s rich. Lol. I do recall seeing a Rag Company video where they acknowledge the House of Rags for what might’ve been the 1st time and the look on their faces was somewhat disgusted. I didn’t really know the details, so I couldn’t call it. Lol.

Yep, I remember that video, you could have cut the air with a knife!
 
One of the founders of The House Of Rags owes some of his success to The Rag Company. At one point, Jamie was a TRC "gram-bassador", which is basically TRC sending out a bunch of free towels and products in return for social media content (Instagram/Youtube ect) spread across a 3-month period. From memory, he was named "gram-bassador" of the year, and was given a hosting role at the TRCMA livestream. P&S even made a special edition detail spray in his honor (Clean-Maker). So, he made significant personal gain from playing the social-media gravy train, and TRC were very much part of that.

And how does this guy replay the TRC generosity? By creating his own detailing supply company selling similar products under an all too-obvious company name rip-off. And get this, instead of stocking TRC towels, he went in another direction and sells a competitor brand. What nice F/U to TRC, no wonder they didn't have him back at TRCMA event this year.

And people wonder why some of us here really don't want to play with THOR, Pan, DIY............................................
I remember stumbling across Jamie the cleaner YT way back at under 1k subs and his content was good, Then it turned into paid for reviews.
 
I remember stumbling across Jamie the cleaner YT way back at under 1k subs and his content was good, Then it turned into paid for reviews.

The whole "paid" review thing is like walking a tightrope. So long as its disclosed, I'm not against it. But...........................................

Quite often, these reviewers get early access to products that I might be interesting in, so it can be a good chance see something new in action. But...........................................you need to keep in mind that money has changed hands, so how critical will the reviewer be? It's all in how its presented, if you put a happy-happy-happy spin on EVERYTHING like certain reviewers do to keep the gravy train rolling, then I tend to sideline their content because I'm not really learning anything.

When I write a review on a product, I've paid for it using my own money so that I'm not obliged to be selective in what I write. I was once sent the full Bilt Hamber lineup in order to write a range review/overview for Detailing Shed. Apart from that initial rush from opening a box full of products you didn't pay for, the novelty wears off very quickly because, well, suddenly there are expectations. And while there were products that instantly impressed, many I found remarkably unremarkable.

In the end, I wrote the article to provide an overview of each product, and where/when/how to use it. From my point of view, some of the Bilt Hamber product names do not even hint as to what each product is used for. Does anyone know what Dynax-UC is or what its used for? Or what about Touch-On and Atom Mac? So, I managed to find an angle to provide content without offending someone, or being that happy-happy-happy influencer that provides no value to the viewer/reader.

I'd say that paid reviews are like a drug. The initial rush feels good, but once you are on the merry-go-round, you will do anything to maintain the rush. Like any drug of dependance, there are side effects.
 
The whole "paid" review thing is like walking a tightrope. So long as its disclosed, I'm not against it. But...........................................

Quite often, these reviewers get early access to products that I might be interesting in, so it can be a good chance see something new in action. But...........................................you need to keep in mind that money has changed hands, so how critical will the reviewer be? It's all in how its presented, if you put a happy-happy-happy spin on EVERYTHING like certain reviewers do to keep the gravy train rolling, then I tend to sideline their content because I'm not really learning anything.

When I write a review on a product, I've paid for it using my own money so that I'm not obliged to be selective in what I write. I was once sent the full Bilt Hamber lineup in order to write a range review/overview for Detailing Shed. Apart from that initial rush from opening a box full of products you didn't pay for, the novelty wears off very quickly because, well, suddenly there are expectations. And while there were products that instantly impressed, many I found remarkably unremarkable.

In the end, I wrote the article to provide an overview of each product, and where/when/how to use it. From my point of view, some of the Bilt Hamber product names do not even hint as to what each product is used for. Does anyone know what Dynax-UC is or what its used for? Or what about Touch-On and Atom Mac? So, I managed to find an angle to provide content without offending someone, or being that happy-happy-happy influencer that provides no value to the viewer/reader.

I'd say that paid reviews are like a drug. The initial rush feels good, but once you are on the merry-go-round, you will do anything to maintain the rush. Like any drug of dependance, there are side effects.
I've found more American YT channels to push products down your throat even if they weren't paid for, after a while I can only watch so much.

The British tend to keep it real with their opinions i have found on YT.

Just want to say sorry if any Americans disagree. 😘
 
The whole "paid" review thing is like walking a tightrope. So long as its disclosed, I'm not against it. But...........................................

Quite often, these reviewers get early access to products that I might be interesting in, so it can be a good chance see something new in action. But...........................................you need to keep in mind that money has changed hands, so how critical will the reviewer be? It's all in how its presented, if you put a happy-happy-happy spin on EVERYTHING like certain reviewers do to keep the gravy train rolling, then I tend to sideline their content because I'm not really learning anything.

When I write a review on a product, I've paid for it using my own money so that I'm not obliged to be selective in what I write. I was once sent the full Bilt Hamber lineup in order to write a range review/overview for Detailing Shed. Apart from that initial rush from opening a box full of products you didn't pay for, the novelty wears off very quickly because, well, suddenly there are expectations. And while there were products that instantly impressed, many I found remarkably unremarkable.

In the end, I wrote the article to provide an overview of each product, and where/when/how to use it. From my point of view, some of the Bilt Hamber product names do not even hint as to what each product is used for. Does anyone know what Dynax-UC is or what its used for? Or what about Touch-On and Atom Mac? So, I managed to find an angle to provide content without offending someone, or being that happy-happy-happy influencer that provides no value to the viewer/reader.

I'd say that paid reviews are like a drug. The initial rush feels good, but once you are on the merry-go-round, you will do anything to maintain the rush. Like any drug of dependance, there are side effects.
...especially on naming, Traceless comes to mind

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I've found more American YT channels to push products down your throat even if they weren't paid for, after a while I can only watch so much.

The British tend to keep it real with their opinions i have found on YT.

Just want to say sorry if any Americans disagree.
Not offended

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I'm wondering where this market will be in say 6 to 12 monthes

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I'm wondering where this market will be in say 6 to 12 monthes

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Me too. I think the market is over saturated as it is, with influencer brands canalizing each other along with existing brands. In the last 12 months or so, we seen arrive on the scene, ADS, Jimbo's, Pay the Advertiser brands (I'm missing a couple others but can't think of them), along with upgraded and/or new products from established brands.
 
Me too. I think the market is over saturated as it is, with influencer brands canalizing each other along with existing brands. In the last 12 months or so, we seen arrive on the scene, ADS, Jimbo's, Pay the Advertiser brands (I'm missing a couple others but can't think of them), along with upgraded and/or new products from established brands.
How did ADS get thrown in here

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Me too. I think the market is over saturated as it is, with influencer brands canalizing each other along with existing brands. In the last 12 months or so, we seen arrive on the scene, ADS, Jimbo's, Pay the Advertiser brands (I'm missing a couple others but can't think of them), along with upgraded and/or new products from established brands.
Agreed.
Just look at how often a new rinseless comes to market. Especially for the consumer market which is relatively small. Ask the average Joe about rinseless and most have never heard of it let alone used it. The vast majority of vehicle owners dont detail their own vehicles.

Fortunately at least for me the influencer brands tend to be overpriced IMO which keeps me from using them. Im not really swayed by upscale bottles and labels. Im much more concerned with how a particular product performs and its value.

A good example of this is Collinite 845. Which i consider a very good wax. It is very competively priced and comes in quite a nondescript container with no fancy aroma or coloring. Im much more likely to purchase a gallon of Meguiars Hyper Wash than a bottle of DIY Incredible Suds.
 
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How did ADS get thrown in here

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I included them as an example of another company pushing hard in an already crowded market. I only became aware of them when TRC started promoting their products, which I think was around a year ago. BTW, my inclusion was not meant as a knock on their quality.
 
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