Can you Believe this is a Hyundai

[TTQ B4U]

an M3P isn't beating it on the Ring

99.5% of both will live on the street. Drive them both and you'll see the Tesla is just better and for up to $25k less. I appreciate what H has done in an attempt to engineer things, but it's overly complicated and very gimmicky at times. I suppose having them as an option is fun for some but I see them as a waste and $10–25k is better spent depending on trim chosen. For that money, a lot more fun can be had.

Fun review as I follow this channel:

Let's face it, on the street, the fun in an EV is the power delivery and handling. Tesla's updates, ecosystem and how everything just works and works well is similar to the Apple Experience. Ironically, I'm not an Apple fan but I appreciate the ecosystem experience. They just need to streamline and refine it to the point where Tesla has.

 

[Klasse Act]

99.5% of both will live on the street. Drive them both and you'll see the Tesla is just better and for up to $25k less. I appreciate what H has done in an attempt to engineer things, but it's overly complicated and very gimmicky at times. I suppose having them as an option is fun for some but I see them as a waste and $10–25k is better spent depending on trim chosen. For that money, a lot more fun can be had.

Fun review as I follow this channel:

Let's face it, on the street, the fun in an EV is the power delivery and handling. Tesla's updates, ecosystem and how everything just works and works well is similar to the Apple Experience. Ironically, I'm not an Apple fan but I appreciate the ecosystem experience. They just need to streamline and refine it to the point where Tesla has.

How and why did Tesla enter the chat

I love how Apple was brought up in this conversation, might as well add Starbucks and a couple 13.1 & 26.2 stickers as well, not to mention a Biden/Harris...urrr, Harris/Walz sticker too

I agree about where they live but I was talking track duty and I thought you made a comparison between the M3P and I5N I see how much you dislike Hyundai buy simply saying H, that's fine but what's great about Hyundai is this, they're a full service car company...choices, not mandates

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[Setec Astronomy]

Personally, I don't get why automakers keep trying to give EV's the characteristics of gas cars. They are nothing alike, they deliver power to the road differently, they are going to sound way different, and you have to drive them differently. Accept the uniqueness and lean into it.

Yup. I've thought the same thing about vinyl/polypropylene house siding, here's a building material that's new (relative to wood), yet the mfr makes it look just like traditional (wood) siding, down to wood-grain texture. Maybe someday, after all they finally stopped putting fake wood-grain appliques on station wagons, what, 50 years after they stopped using real wood?

 

[Desertnate]

99.5% of both will live on the street. Drive them both and you'll see the Tesla is just better and for up to $25k less. I appreciate what H has done in an attempt to engineer things, but it's overly complicated and very gimmicky at times. I suppose having them as an option is fun for some but I see them as a waste and $10–25k is better spent depending on trim chosen. For that money, a lot more fun can be had.

Fun review as I follow this channel:

Let's face it, on the street, the fun in an EV is the power delivery and handling. Tesla's updates, ecosystem and how everything just works and works well is similar to the Apple Experience. Ironically, I'm not an Apple fan but I appreciate the ecosystem experience. They just need to streamline and refine it to the point where Tesla has.

Bringing this back around to the Hyundai.

In this type of comparison, the Hyundai wins hands down for me due to better design. Outside, I think it's a better looking vehicle. On the inside, it's no contest. Hyundai kept a usable display in front of the driver and they still have buttons for high frequency tasks so you can easily toggle them without having to sift through menus to perform a function. The infotainment display for me is better too with the landscape orientation allowing it to sit higher and more in line with the driver's site lines. The smaller size is a huge win in my eyes too.

 

[Klasse Act]

The Hyundai is car because it's built by a car company and it shows A button to open a glove box, just trying to be tech for the sake of tech...Hyundai doesn't do this️

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[TTQ B4U]

How and why did Tesla enter the chat

I love how Apple was brought up in this conversation, might as well add Starbucks and a couple 13.1 & 26.2 stickers as well, not to mention a Biden/Harris...urrr, Harris/Walz sticker too

I agree about where they live but I was talking track duty and I thought you made a comparison between the M3P and I5N I see how much you dislike Hyundai buy simply saying H, that's fine but what's great about Hyundai is this, they're a full service car company...choices, not mandates

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With the new reviews coming out for both U.S. models—and since you have one and I have the other—I figured it was a good time to bring up Tesla.

You’ve probably noticed from my posts that I’m a Trump supporter too. I use ‘H’ as a shortcut because I’m just tired of typing it all out, like how I say M3P too. I don’t dislike the H brand at all; I actually appreciate what they’re trying to do. We had one of their minivans, and it was great for what it was.

The latest news H products is a mix of good and bad. They’ve hired some smart people, added cool tech, and really seem to want to reinvent themselves. But honestly, there’s still something missing in the experience. Sometimes, they just seem like they’re trying too hard. Less is more, and as a contrast, the Model Y’s success shows that. I added Apple as an example too. Again, I am not an Apple user but can appreciate what they have done in creating an ecosystem that like Tesla isn't 'mandated' but it is true to branding. Time will tell if H can find their groove. The new Y is due out and it honestly is a more direct comparison to the N line here. Will be interesting to see what Elon does to that performance variant.

 

[TTQ B4U]

The Hyundai is car because it's built by a car company and it shows A button to open a glove box, just trying to be tech for the sake of tech...Hyundai doesn't do this️

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it's actually an icon on a screen, not a button. In my opinion, it works well, especially given its location in the menu. Your comparison is similar to what Blackberry once argued was in their favor vs the iPhone and we see how that played out. Now we see car companies adopting this approach. It’s a cost-saving measure and makes updating designs and features easier.

Back to your earlier point too that H is a "car company" and that's true; even Elon has come out and said that Tesla is more of a software company that makes cars. The car is the easier part but more costly. The software is key though and where the real engineering magic happens. Again, just like Apple. H is sill toying around with the car portion because that's where they originated. They need to blend the two better.

You might not like Apple or Tesla but just like I open up to the attempts and moves H is making on some fronts, it's good too look at the companies I mentioned too as their success didn't just happen by chance. It was well thought out and executed.

 

[Klasse Act]

H

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[Karl_in_Chicago]

Surely there's room on the forum for Tesla fans to open their own thread about Tesla's and not thread-jack a thread about Hyundai's (I mean, it's in the TITLE)? Or am I just showing my age by thinking that thread jacking is poor form?

 

[Desertnate]

Since I'm partly to blame for the conversation wandering off-topic, I'll do my penance and try to bring it back.

I was pretty impressed to see this: Genesis is going prototype racing.

This is a big step up from the WRC racing they do today and something that has been in the rumor mill long before the current LMDh standard was created. Some people thought they would join IMSA with a DPi car, but it never happened. What will be interesting to see is whether Hyundai simply uses this as a platform to launch some dedicated high performance vehicles or just use the WEC and IMSA races to get brand recognition. They have done great things with the N versions of some of their cars, now it's time to produce something serious.

 

[Klasse Act]

Since I'm partly to blame for the conversation wandering off-topic, I'll do my penance and try to bring it back.

I was pretty impressed to see this: Genesis is going prototype racing.

This is a big step up from the WRC racing they do today and something that has been in the rumor mill long before the current LMDh standard was created. Some people thought they would join IMSA with a DPi car, but it never happened. What will be interesting to see is whether Hyundai simply uses this as a platform to launch some dedicated high performance vehicles or just use the WEC and IMSA races to get brand recognition. They have done great things with the N versions of some of their cars, now it's time to produce something serious.

This is great, just wish the MAGMA Genesis vehicles came out first before this racing program to get their name out there in the performance ring, oh well, I'm sure they know what their doing

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[Desertnate]

This is great, just wish the MAGMA Genesis vehicles came out first before this racing program to get their name out there in the performance ring, oh well, I'm sure they know what their doing

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It might all happen at the same time. On an endurance racing podcast I follow, the hosts who are well connected in the community, have been hearing the team will start racing in 2026. Based on the couple articles I've seen, it looks like the Magma vehicles are expected about that time too.

 

[Klasse Act]

I don't think they would but how cool would it be if they did an Integra TypeS competitor?!...and just for S&G's added AWD and the 2.5T "tweaked"️

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[Desertnate]

I love the idea. I still don't know why Acura never gave the Type S AWD. The only thing I can think of is they couldn't make it fit. Personally, I'd just go with a Type R, save the money, and just try to ignore the red interior.

The only car Hyundai has in their inventory they could use to compete with the Type R or Type S is the Elantra. Put the AWD in it (if possible) and boost up the engine and make it an N+ or N GT. The only thing it would be missing is the hatchback, which would be a bit of a bummer. If they wanted to go really crazy, electrify the rear axle and have a hybrid AWD system like some supercars, but in reverse. Make it RWD biased!

The next closest possibility would be a Kona, but they would have to really lower the thing to make it competitive.

 

[Klasse Act]

I love the idea. I still don't know why Acura never gave the Type S AWD. The only thing I can think of is they couldn't make it fit. Personally, I'd just go with a Type R, save the money, and just try to ignore the red interior.

The only car Hyundai has in their inventory they could use to compete with the Type R or Type S is the Elantra. Put the AWD in it (if possible) and boost up the engine and make it an N+ or N GT. The only thing it would be missing is the hatchback, which would be a bit of a bummer.

The next closest possibility would be a Kona, but they would have to really lower the thing to make it competitive.

The next gen EN should atleast get the 2.5T, AWD....stay "tuned"

How about THIS EN....

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[Desertnate]

It's a good platform to launch an even higher performance model. In fact, they already have. It's just not road legal...and it's missing a few things like an interior...

This weekend I remembered this: Hyundai TCR . It's based on the Elantra i30, runs about 350hp to be compliant across a host of different series using the TCR spec (a step below GT4 I believe).

They need to follow other programs and let some of the goodies from their sports car racing programs trickle down into their road cars. Engine, brakes, maybe some suspension goodies... They have a Type R/Type S competitor right there!

 

[Desertnate]

Genesis is one step closer to launching their LMDh/GTP program under the name of Genesis Magma Racing. Here are some CGI renderings and an article that shows a scale model displayed last week.

Genesis LMDH Car Reveal in Dubai

IMSA Release

This will be an interesting development to follow. Genesis has hired two highly competitive drivers for the development program and it looks like they are developing three more with LMP2 program they are going to run while the LMDh car finishes production/development. I'm curious who will get the main racing program in 26/27. Will the International and US efforts go to different teams, or will they have one team run both race series? Will they stick with the LMP2 partner they have now? Should be fun.

Another thing I find interesting is they haven't publicly announced the power plant for the car. Since it is running in LMDh and GTP it will be a hybrid, but what isn't know is what type of gas engine will be bolted to the electrical unit. Some rumors say they will develop a turbo V8 by bolting two of the engines from their WRC or TCR cars together. That seems like a very expensive way to go when they have V6's in their road cars today they can use as a basis for development. It could go either way. Acura runs a turbo V6 while Cadillac, Porsche, and BMW all run V8's (the Caddy is the only NA engine).

 

[Klasse Act]

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The best car I have driven this year. Hyundai Ioniq5 N - Hyundai has made an EV fun and fast to drive. 2024 CarLegion Car Of The Year. Love this thing! @Hyun...

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[Klasse Act]

While not a Hyundai persay, it's their family...just look at this car, the interior especially

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[JDGolden]

While not a Hyundai persay, it's their family...just look at this car, the interior especially

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All of the Genesis models are super nice. I like that one also.


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