Can you Believe this is a Hyundai

My mother-in-law has a 2021-ish G90. It's not a bad car. Not quite up to Audi or Lexus quality, but a very nice car. This one seems to be a big leap forward.
 
Desertnate said:
My mother-in-law has a 2021-ish G90. It's not a bad car. Not quite up to Audi or Lexus quality, but a very nice car. This one seems to be a big leap forward.
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My dad has a G90 and it is beautiful but not $100k+. Hyundai is trying to fight German brands, but they are out pricing their customers. They have to prove they can beat the German brands before they charge the German prices.

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Agree. When you factor in the sub-par Hyundai dealership experience they fall way behind. I'm really surprised they haven't pushed the seperate dealership effort harder. Until Genesis can stand on it's own with totally separate dealerships they won't be able to compete on that front either.
 
Desertnate said:
Agree. When you factor in the sub-par Hyundai dealership experience they fall way behind. I'm really surprised they haven't pushed the seperate dealership effort harder. Until Genesis can stand on it's own with totally separate dealerships they won't be able to compete on that front either.
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I hate to agree with you but your correct!

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Sorry if you fellers think this is the wrong place, but since there is a lot of Hyundai N talk in this thread, including the Ioniq 5 N, I just found out Cadillac is coming out with a Lyriq-V "quickest Cadillac ever", 0-60 in 3.3 seconds in "Velocity Max" which I guess is their version of Ludicrous Mode.
 
I saw that too. Those numbers are very similar to the Ioniq 5 N. From casual observance the Lyriq is a much bigger car, but I've been surprised more than once by Ioniq 5 size comparisons. It's a much bigger car than it appears to my eyes.

I'm glad to see automakers outside of Porsche to to offer fun-to-drive electrics. If they want enthusiasts to make the leap into the world of electric cars, they need to offer a compelling product that's more than just an anonymous transportation blob. The Ioniq 5 N, Tycan, e-tron GT, and now this Lyric seem to be headed that direction. We can only hope for more. Now if the tech would only develop to make production costs and selling prices lower...
 
Desertnate said:
I saw that too. Those numbers are very similar to the Ioniq 5 N. From casual observance the Lyriq is a much bigger car, but I've been surprised more than once by Ioniq 5 size comparisons. It's a much bigger car than it appears to my eyes.

I'm glad to see automakers outside of Porsche to to offer fun-to-drive electrics. If they want enthusiasts to make the leap into the world of electric cars, they need to offer a compelling product that's more than just an anonymous transportation blob. The Ioniq 5 N, Tycan, e-tron GT, and now this Lyric seem to be headed that direction. We can only hope for more. Now if the tech would only develop to make production costs and selling prices lower...
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I'm hoping for less actually, bring on Perf hybrids for the masses

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Setec Astronomy said:
Sorry if you fellers think this is the wrong place, but since there is a lot of Hyundai N talk in this thread, including the Ioniq 5 N, I just found out Cadillac is coming out with a Lyriq-V "quickest Cadillac ever", 0-60 in 3.3 seconds in "Velocity Max" which I guess is their version of Ludicrous Mode.
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I know you guys don't get the "new" Chinese MG brand, but they decided to join the rapid acceleration club as well. They put a second motor in the back of their standard SUV to make the MG4 XPower, it ain't too pretty, but it's got 400+ HP and a 0-60 time of 3.8s
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And this is coming here later this year, the MG Cyberster, stupid name, but looks gorgeous, 502hp and 3.2s to 60. And there's already some here being tested by motoring journalists.

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Big Dave said:
I know you guys don't get the "new" Chinese MG brand, but they decided to join the rapid acceleration club as well. They put a second motor in the back of their standard SUV to make the MG4 XPower, it ain't too pretty, but it's got 400+ HP and a 0-60 time of 3.8s
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And this is coming here later this year, the MG Cyberster, stupid name, but looks gorgeous, 502hp and 3.2s to 60. And there's already some here being tested by motoring journalists.

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Both of those look really good, I mean I'm a sucker for green

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Klasse Act said:
I'm hoping for less actually, bring on Perf hybrids for the masses
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I'd be happy with that too, but other than the new 911, I don't see many companies going that way. I hope I'm wrong. Hybrids are less expensive and can make up for some of the shortfalls of an gas engine by delivering high torque for accelerating off the line and launching out of corners. If you ger really creative the hybrid part of the powertrain can even make the car corner better like Acura did with the last NSX. Complexity and packaging become the real problem with sticking a hybrid powertrain into something fun to drive.

The problem is if you look at just powertrain performance, neither an ICE or a hybrid can match an EV platform. It delivers power in ways no ICE set-up can. After driving a couple myself and watching others in a race-like setting, it's pretty mind bending.
 
Big Dave said:
I know you guys don't get the "new" Chinese MG brand, but they decided to join the rapid acceleration club as well. They put a second motor in the back of their standard SUV to make the MG4 XPower, it ain't too pretty, but it's got 400+ HP and a 0-60 time of 3.8s
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Those kind of numbers are exciting, but how do they drive? Not just a poke at these MG's but across the board it seem automakers put insane power into vehicles with tiny brakes and squishy supersessions. It makes it really hard to truly harness that power and use it to the full potential.

And this is coming here later this year, the MG Cyberster, stupid name, but looks gorgeous, 502hp and 3.2s to 60. And there's already some here being tested by motoring journalists.
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That's a good looking car and a step in the right direction. The next generation Tesla Roadster is vaporware, so it's nice to see someone, anyone, somewhere, other than Rimac actually trying to build a dedicated EV sportscar.

How are the prices for either of these? Are they even in the realm of "affordable"?
 
Desertnate said:
I'd be happy with that too, but other than the new 911, I don't see many companies going that way. I hope I'm wrong. Hybrids are less expensive and can make up for some of the shortfalls of an gas engine by delivering high torque for accelerating off the line and launching out of corners. If you ger really creative the hybrid part of the powertrain can even make the car corner better like Acura did with the last NSX. Complexity and packaging become the real problem with sticking a hybrid powertrain into something fun to drive.

The problem is if you look at just powertrain performance, neither an ICE or a hybrid can match an EV platform. It delivers power in ways no ICE set-up can. After driving a couple myself and watching others in a race-like setting, it's pretty mind bending.
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It's cliché but EV= no soul but all your points can't be argued for sure

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Klasse Act said:
It's cliché but EV= no soul but all your points can't be argued for sure
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Some people do like the sound and fury of an engine with a good exhaust, the vibrations from the power train, and slapping there way through the gears with a manual transmission. Those arguments too have merit as the full experience is part of the fun as well. I'll never discount that part of it.

I think there are divergent paths in the auto performance world today. On one hand you have vehicles that will make lots of noises and/or you can shift them your self. It's all about experience and direct involvement. This road will eventually hit hard limits due to physical and cost/benefit trade offs. The other path uses technology to advance performance at the cost of involvement and feel. It started back when sequential manuals and dual clutch cars delivered faster shifts and better track times. Hybrids and electric motors just build on that trend and continue the evolution. I like what is available from both. I love rowing gears in my BRZ and the involvement it offers. At the same time I find 100% torque anywhere/any time matched with lunitic levels of HP appealing too. Not to mention the magic you can do with software. I'm a mess.

Many, many, years ago I got an incentive flight in an F-15. That is acceleration on a whole different level, but oddly enough hard acceleration in an EV is eerily similar. Endless smooth, uninterrupted, acceleration that doesn't stop until you let off the throttle. The nice part is I don't get out of an EV barfing up my guts like I did in the F-15.

Honestly, I think if I was about 5 years older and had hit my formative automotive years when hot rods ruled the road and not the dawn of the Euro/Japanese performance years, I'd probably have very different thoughts on where the auto performance world is headed.

OK. Back to Hyundai. I took us way off track. Again...
 
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Many, many, years ago I got an incentive flight in an F-15. That is acceleration on a whole different level, but oddly enough hard acceleration in an EV is eerily similar. Endless smooth, uninterrupted, acceleration that doesn't stop until you let off the throttle. The nice part is I don't get out of an EV barfing up my guts like I did in the F-15.
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Who has to clean up the back seat after that happens? You or some 18 year-old airman? I also imagine the pilot tries to make sure you puke your guts out. Did he stand it on the tail right after rotation? Or is that just for the PR reels and the tv reporters? I forget what the stat was on that, time to 50,000 ft straight up from the runway.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Who has to clean up the back seat after that happens? You or some 18 year-old airman? I also imagine the pilot tries to make sure you puke your guts out. Did he stand it on the tail right after rotation? Or is that just for the PR reels and the tv reporters? I forget what the stat was on that, time to 50,000 ft straight up from the runway.
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I had a bag so the mess was contained. However, the life support techs were very clear telling me that if anything got into my oxygen mask, I would be the one taking it apart and disinfecting the whole assembly. As a military officer cadet, there was no way I was going to make some poor maintenance Airman have to clean up a mess I made in the cockpit. Fortunately it didn't come to that.

Yes, we did do the vertical afterburner climb straight off the end of the runway, though we only went to 30,000 and not any higher due to ATC concerns. That isn't what got me. It was when they started 1 v 1 dogfights with another F-15 that I had issues. Fortunately, after I got sick, they took pity on me and just let me fly around for a while, so I got about 25 minutes of stick time.
 
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Setec Astronomy said:
Wait a minute, you got to fly the thing??
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Yes, but nothing too dramatic.

If you're interested I can talk more about it, but we should probably move the conversation to PM's or elsewhere and not take this thread any father from the topic than we've already gone!
 
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