How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits

Another reason to use an AIO or one-step cleaner/wax is because the paint on daily drivers becomes stained with dirt and oil.

Road Film - If you drive your car in the rain your car has road film



A finishing wax or sealant, that is a product with no cleaning ability won't remove impacted dirt and road film.


Doing a 2, 3, 4 step process will of course get the paint back down to a fresh base but if you're detailing for money you'll be spending a lot of time doing the work and this decreases your profit.



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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
I'm completeley lost with your logic/opinion?


What steps and products would in your opinion should be used for a daily driver?






Just to keep things in context since the "pictures" of this detail are quite a ways back in this thread....


Before
This car is in good condition but the paint was oxidized and thus dull and lifeless. It was rough to the feel with contamination as was the exterior glass. A greasy tire dressing was used and it smeared over the white letters staining them black and brown. The chrome was stained with some type of film causing them to look dull instead of bright and shiny.

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After
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Less than 4 hours and I charged $350.00

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And that right there is what it's all about.... :xyxthumbs:

Get it done, get paid and go. :) :buffing:
 
Lots of great info in this thread...

But, 70 W-30 in special order Sebring Yellow! Full of awesome! :dblthumb2:

Amazing work Mike!
 
Detailing doesn't pay my bills. I do it on the weekends.

I mainly work on DD; paint that's a swirled out mess. IME, AIO's do very little correction. I do not feel like it's worth MY time an effort to hand back a car that's only 20-30% better. Even if the customer is clueless and thinks the car looks great, I want to think the car looks great, too. If I'm going to polish paint, I will only do a 1-step if the polish removes 80%+ of the defects. Otherwise, it's a 2-step. If the paint I work on has very minimal swirls, an AIO/cleaner wax would be great. That's very rare for me, however.
 
FivePoint.0 said:
Detailing doesn't pay my bills. I do it on the weekends.

I mainly work on DD; paint that's a swirled out mess. IME, AIO's do very little correction. I do not feel like it's worth MY time an effort to hand back a car that's only 20-30% better. Even if the customer is clueless and thinks the car looks great, I want to think the car looks great, too. If I'm going to polish paint, I will only do a 1-step if the polish removes 80%+ of the defects. Otherwise, it's a 2-step. If the paint I work on has very minimal swirls, an AIO/cleaner wax would be great. That's very rare for me, however.
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D151 on and LC Orange or CYAN Pad will cut very well if needed for a one step and leaves a nice finish.

Could also step up to MF finishing pad also for really bad ones that don't want to pay for a 2 step correction + wax.

But then that's what D151 was made for, production work and it cuts very well if needed depending on pad choice.

And it's fast to work with. :)
 
FivePoint.0 said:
Detailing doesn't pay my bills. I do it on the weekends.

I mainly work on DD; paint that's a swirled out mess. IME, AIO's do very little correction. I do not feel like it's worth MY time an effort to hand back a car that's only 20-30% better. Even if the customer is clueless and thinks the car looks great, I want to think the car looks great, too. If I'm going to polish paint, I will only do a 1-step if the polish removes 80%+ of the defects. Otherwise, it's a 2-step. If the paint I work on has very minimal swirls, an AIO/cleaner wax would be great. That's very rare for me, however.
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I think your clientele are different than mine. I mostly work on soccer mom vans and suv. They care about the interior cleanliness and it being clean and shiny outside. Most don't even see scratches or swirls unless its from a shopping cart, etc.

I would hate to do a full, or even partial correction on these cars for the simple fact, they usually will go right back to the automatic wash for $10 vs my $55 to wash. These type of vehicles are where aio are king!

Now nicer cars, sedans, sports cars, I'll upsell to at least a 1 step polish, and most bite. These are also the customers usually bringing their vehicles back for maintenance washes, and steady money.

I do this as a side job also, but I'm not too picky about what I work on, so long as the customer understands the outcome, or possible lack of outcome. Those customers allow me to purchase new products tools and pads.

A few go down the street to the other Guy at my recommendation.


You might be more selective than me in which jobs you do take. I'm just a $ grub, so I'll take it if the $$$ is right! Haha


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I currently use HD ADAPT for a lot of my 1-steps. It's cuts MUCH better than any AIO and finishes with the best of them. This is what I'm talking about! :)


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Does it leave protection? LOL. Just ruffling some feathers.

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FivePoint.0 said:
I currently use HD ADAPT for a lot of my 1-steps. It's cuts MUCH better than any AIO and finishes with the best of them. This is what I'm talking about! :)


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That a polish/compound more like M83, not really an AIO. :)

So you still have to seal or wax after because it doesn't put down any protection.
 
FivePoint.0 said:
I mainly work on DD;

Even if the customer is clueless and thinks the car looks great, I want to think the car looks great, too.
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As long as you're happy with whatever reward you're getting for your time, material and labor then that's all that's important.

This thread is about how to use a one-step cleaner/wax to do ONE STEP to the paint after claying that will satisfy the type of customer I described in this thread.


You're talking about you and your expectations. This thread isn't about doing full or partial 80% + paint correction, it's about making paint shiny and that's what a one-step cleaner/wax is for in the production detailing industry.


By all means Mark, do two steps, I often do myself on most cars as I don't do a lot of Daily Drivers.

Maybe even start your own thread about doing two steps on daily drivers?

And it's perfectly okay to add your opinion about one step cleaner/waxes not working for you in a thread about using one-step cleaner/waxes to do production work but again, do feel free to start a thread about doing two steps for money or for fun.


FivePoint.0 said:
Using a cleaner wax is relatively worthless on a daily driver.

Very, very little correction. You're just cleaning the paint and making the defects shinier.

Not worth the time and effort, IMO.
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Very true! That's very to the point Mike, I'm not sure I'd have been so tactful.

AIO are the " business " for daily driven vehicles. My favorites are XMT 360, Griots one-step sealant, and Meguiars D151.

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Did this today on a one step with Optimum GPS. Not quite pointless.

Hope this pic shows up well. Uploading from phone and can't really see it.
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This was also a AIO, I. Believe xmt 360 or Griots was used on this vehicle.

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Here's a shot where a test spot had been done one year earlier and xmt 360 was used on the side closet to you in the photo...showing how much cut it actually had. This same hood was cleaned and polished using DG501/601 after the test spots were complete. What you see is after all residual was gone of any fillers and/or protections...and shows exactly how much cut an AIO w/pad can have.

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Immediately after test spots were performed...
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And just before the test spots...
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Here's the link to the thread...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/74409-xmt360-vs-duragloss-501-clean-cut.html

Not swirl free, but it could be if applied often enough, thus helping to protect prescious paint film thickness.
 
I am guilty of putting too much time into cars sometimes. I've been using D151 lately to try and combat my bad habit. It's not what I want but what the customer wants.
 
FivePoint.0 said:
Ummm, the swirls aren't bad to begin with. Cleaner wax would be excellent for this case, as you just proved. Anyhow, I'll let this get back on topic for PRODUCTION details.
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I would consider these moderate swirls. AIO products have a lot more use than just production work.

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