M105 and M205.... Not For Me!

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The OP stated the detail was a "350" - can I assume you meant "Nissan 350Z"? In this case, Nissan's have notoriously soft paint, in fact, if I recall, that model year 350 could even have what they marketed as having "self-healing" paint. Not only does it have incredibly soft paint as compared to other paint types this product is more commonly used with, it is also one of the strongest cut products meguiar's makes and you used a rotary buffer with a heavy cutting pad.

That sounds to me like you simply had way too much muscle and it did more harm than good.

The posts in this thread have been interesting to say the least, but I'm a bit surprised this hasn't really been brought to light.

You have also provided a valuable lesson: Do not use 105 with a rotary on soft paint.

just my $.02.
 
Sorry to hear the Megs twins isn't working for you.

I too love my Menzerna products and they do seem to give a more consistent finish on almost all paints. There really is no real learning curve to them either IMO, work it till it goes clear and you done. That being said, I absolutely hate the long polishing times Menzerna requires. Once you get M105/M205 dialed in they work like a champ and significantly reduce polishing times.

FWIW, I don't think I would ever finish down M205 with a polishing pad (white LC) on a rotary, especially on black paint...I would use a finishing pad instead.
 
Just to add to this;

-Ford is better than chevy
-sony is better than samsung
-Stuffed is better than thin crust

Different strokes for different s folks people. I prefer menzerna, others may not. Oh well!!
 
I have many Menz products, (SIP, 203, 106fa, 85rd) and I love them all. They all have their place.

BUT

I grab for 105/205 the most. The combo is absolutely amazing. I find 105 on a rotary to be much easier to work with than it on a DA. If I had to decide between brands I would opt for Megs, it covers such a large base.
 
Man, people are sure passionate about their products, ha. Honestly, I haven't run into a single professional detailing product that I can't find a use for.

Of course, there are a TON of products that are much alike...which therefore cancel certain products out for me. If you ask me...a detailer should be able to make ANY professional product work for them.

There's so many ways, and techniques to use on a single product. They all have their own unique way of working.

It's not whether the product performs or not...it's about whether or not you can make it perform! At least I think so. :cheers:
 
loudog2 said:
Just to add to this;

-Ford is better than chevy Agreed
-sony is better than samsung Agreed
-Stuffed is better than thin crust Agreed

Different strokes for different s folks people. Agreed I prefer menzerna, others may not. Oh well!!
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I only have megs so that's what I prefer, but I would still like to add Menz polishes to my arsenal. I want to be prepared for times when paint will laugh at my megs or, and hopefully not concurrently, menz polishes.
 
loudog2 said:
Just to add to this;

-Ford is better than chevy
-sony is better than samsung
-Stuffed is better than thin crust

Different strokes for different s folks people. I prefer menzerna, others may not. Oh well!!
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as mentioned, everyone is going to have their opinion.. as far as TV's (there are other things as well) go, samsung IMO has surpassed sony in which i use to be a huge fan of...
 
loudog2 said:
Just to add to this;

-Ford is better than chevy
-sony is better than samsung
-Stuffed is better than thin crust Yuck

Different strokes for different s folks people. I prefer menzerna, others may not. Oh well!!
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I think stuff crust is gross. Give me thin crust all day :hungry:
 
I was thinking the same thing, that there was a difference in paint form say early mid 2000 to the 2007 and up, mainly because i used to do my buddy's which was an earlier year, cant really remember, but his used to be so easy no matter what I used, but even then I was using Menzerna, still Im not sure that this is the case with this one, cause there were some spots that I had to put some muscle into (dont take that to literal) just to get out some minor swirls, I was thinking the paint was actually harder..... idk, but all i know is i can always use menzerna without question and be confident its going to work, and thats what im looking for in any product.

PS. 105 really wasnt the problem, only used it and a heavy cutting pad in one or two areas, everything else was 205 with a white polishing pad at about or less than 1000 rpms, which shouldnt really have done anything to the paint like that, but this is what gave me the haze,


neuralfraud said:
The OP stated the detail was a "350" - can I assume you meant "Nissan 350Z"? In this case, Nissan's have notoriously soft paint, in fact, if I recall, that model year 350 could even have what they marketed as having "self-healing" paint. Not only does it have incredibly soft paint as compared to other paint types this product is more commonly used with, it is also one of the strongest cut products meguiar's makes and you used a rotary buffer with a heavy cutting pad.

That sounds to me like you simply had way too much muscle and it did more harm than good.

The posts in this thread have been interesting to say the least, but I'm a bit surprised this hasn't really been brought to light.

You have also provided a valuable lesson: Do not use 105 with a rotary on soft paint.

just my $.02.
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My opinion:
Samsung > Sony
fk 1000p > dp wheel glaze
Stuffed crust > thin crust

I'm a newbie at detailing, and only got to do the top, trunk and hood of a 96 emerald green camry. I used 105 with a orange pad to cut through the oxidation and didn't follow through with 205, since a friend let me use his flex 3401 and products at the time, but even after 105 the finish was pretty good. After using the flex I just got the addiction to detailing. Once the weather gets better though I'll try the 105/205 combo on a dark blue 325i, now that I have my own flex and detailing products! If the 105/205 combo doesn't work I think I'll try d151 to finish it.
 
Although I do feel 105 and 205 have a learning curve, it's well worth it. I like to use them because they use non-diminishing abrasives. I feel you can get a detail done much faster than using diminishing abrasives. You don't have to work them as long to break them down(and wonder if they're broken down) to get desired results. Non diminishing abrasives stay relatively the same size throughout the whole buffing process.
 
Menzerna polishes are great polishes and I too prefer them over Megs, especially the ceramiclear line (SIP/Nano/085rd). I dont find the need for Megs 105 in most casual settings. Now from a professional setting I am sure more will want the longer cutting time that 105 offers and its certainly a degree or two more abrasive than SIP.

I am not however enamoured with 205 at all. I find more than several Menzerna polishes that finish down better as well as some 3M products. They all offer more gloss and final reflection than the Megs counterpart to me. I also now of many know using 105 initially but finishing with other lines for final polishing.

Now again its absolutely personal opinion. All I can offer is I have never breached clearcoat using any of these polishes, never broken a rotary or random orbital buffer using all the many methods intro'd over time for these polishes, and I am certainly willing to spend more on products that work.

As for pizza .... well I like it all but the Chicago Style stuffed pizza would be a preference. Unfortunately cannot seem to find a good one locally.
 
Spicy McHaggis said:
Im sorry but a blanket statement like this is not only wrong, but it jus makes you sound like you don't know what you are doing. Like I said I love some of the menz stuff, and I love some of the megs stuff. But to say the whole menz line blows megs away is moronic. People need to learn how to use these products before they complain about them.

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Spicy before you go shooting your mouth off and calling me moronic (speaking of moronic) ever heard of Spell Check on your computer? Use it, it works. As for Menzerna vs Megs....look at some of the following post by some of the best detailers in the industry and what they preferred, but to each their own........you were outta line saying that I am moronic....so before you go making PERSONAL attacks on people get your facts straight...I took this very personal, this is forum to discuss products,techniques and opinions, not to try and belittle or insult members.......have a great day.
 
Fight, Fight, Fight, Get Em!!!! Yea agree with ya buddy some people just take some things way to serious and assume to much, and we all know what that means, and some people just weren't born with certain filters installed correctly.



Wendell Jarvis said:
Spicy before you go shooting your mouth off and calling me moronic (speaking of moronic) ever heard of Spell Check on your computer? Use it, it works. As for Menzerna vs Megs....look at some of the following post by some of the best detailers in the industry and what they preferred, but to each their own........you were outta line saying that I am moronic....so before you go making PERSONAL attacks on people get your facts straight...I took this very personal, this is forum to discuss products,techniques and opinions, not to try and belittle or insult members.......have a great day.
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Wendell Jarvis said:
Spicy before you go shooting your mouth off and calling me moronic (speaking of moronic) ever heard of Spell Check on your computer? Use it, it works. As for Menzerna vs Megs....look at some of the following post by some of the best detailers in the industry and what they preferred, but to each their own........you were outta line saying that I am moronic....so before you go making PERSONAL attacks on people get your facts straight...I took this very personal, this is forum to discuss products,techniques and opinions, not to try and belittle or insult members.......have a great day.
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1. Sorry I left the t off of just, I was typing on my phone. My sincerest apologies. :props:
2. I didn't call you a moron, I said your statement sounded moronic and I stand by that. To make a blanket statement like that makes you sound like a fan boy not a detailer. It's not a personal attack, it's my opinion of your statement.
3. I'm not sure who you are referring to as being the best in the business, but if they can't get the hang of a product that is as easy to use as 105/205 then I don't think they are anywhere near the best. :dunno:
4. Grow some thicker skin. If you state your opinion on an internet forum not everyone is going to agree with you.

As for why I "care" so much about this, I don't care that people are bashing 105.205. I really couldn't care less if a certain product doesn't perform. What I care about is people bashing a product based solely on the fact that they didn't take the time to learn how to use the product correctly.
 
Lesson of the day Boys and Girls..

Do not tell a man his favorite wax is junk. Dem dares fightin words :bat:
 
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