Rinseless Washes - 2022

Klasse Act said:
That house of Rags only has "their own" mf towels, unless I'm missing something

As far as white label goes, well, the majority out there fall into that category, so alot of buy/like white label, it's just do wanna support a clown, a hype man or someone you've never heard of

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They do but they also sell Autofiber. They offer their own brands but sell competitors too if they like products.

Regardless of if I like Eddie (I do) or not I’ll still buy if products interest me and deals right. They got a lot of brands I wanna try.

I’ve bought from Obsessed so anyone’s fair game.


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Nav45 said:
A lot of their success was word of mouth actually because their products were good. That's how I heard about them. The only companies that aren't doing as much social media stuff are the older, establish brands and even they are doing a bit more.



After a while a lot of these products overlap anyway, whether they be polishes, microfiber, washes, etc. I see slight difference in what Armour offers compared to others in terms of quality of packaging, labeling and even performance. Is it vastly different from other similar brands? Nope. But we are at the point in detailing where the differences between most companies and most products is so minor that even a little bit better helps.

And even though Armour has social media, it's a bit more subdued than the competition - minor stuff I know but I prefer that. As for being loved by the influencers, totally with you on that one. That's why I am choosy these days regarding which Youtube channels I watch.

By the way, they have yet to offer a polish as of now. That's a little different from their peers as they immediately have a full lineup of products ready to go as soon as the company is formed. Armour didn't even have a rinseless until not too long ago - they took their time with their product rather than simply covering all the bases by immediately having a full lineup of products.
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Nah they were actually anti Rinseless. It is because of Eddie Colon we have Hero. They didn’t take their time…. They didn’t want to make it.

And I’m not knocking the influencer route… it’s how word of mouth gets around today. Are you saying someone you knew in person recommended? I care less about the personalities and more about the products.

I’m also not saying white labeling is bad. I’m just pointing out that a lot of folks poo poo some brands for doing it when A beloved company like Armor is doing the same thing. I’m not knocking their products because a lot of folks I know like them.

Just like to point out that Armor detail supply is not that different than Pans Clean…as a company.


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Nav45 said:
As far as I know, the USS is unique to The Rag Company and not LC. Ivan was somewhat taking shots at them for their sponge and claiming how his was superior.
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It is unique in that they say they picked the foam to make it. Lake country makes a lot of the sponges. Not on USS but they did make the UBS for TRC.

Lake country manufacturers foams TRC does not.


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Nav45 said:
A lot of their success was word of mouth actually because their products were good. That's how I heard about them. The only companies that aren't doing as much social media stuff are the older, establish brands and even they are doing a bit more.
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The sad thing going on here is how ADS get lumped into the "over-hyped" category simply because they launched a new brand and have been relatively successful in doing so.

I know I come across as an ADS fan boy, well that's because I am. I have tried all but the iron remover and the glass coating, there is not a single dud in the lineup. Regardless of price or the age of the company, you can't say that for most of the brands out there.

Put it this way, I have also tried the majority of the Bilt Hamber lineup as well. Apart from Surfex and Atom Mac, there is a reason why you don't hear me saying much about the rest of the range....................................because it's thoroughly average at best.

Nav45 said:
And even though Armour has social media, it's a bit more subdued than the competition - minor stuff I know but I prefer that. As for being loved by the influencers, totally with you on that one. That's why I am choosy these days regarding which Youtube channels I watch.
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You know, not much gets said about how some of the mainstream legacy brands who also use social media to their advantage, and quite often far more than some of these low-volume boutique brands like ADS. For example, take a look at the Meguiar's Instagram account. That brand makes multiple posts every day, using the platform to flog old and thoroughly average products that are so out of date its embarrassing. Yet no one pulls them up on that. And yet a small, relatively new brand doing the same, somehow that is devious.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Nah they were actually anti Rinseless. It is because of Eddie Colon we have Hero. They didn’t take their time…. They didn’t want to make it.
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That is my recollection as well. I assume they were somewhat forced into coming out with a rinseless wash as everyone and their brother is producing a rinseless wash. If they didnt do so they would be out of the loop. Also them producing a rinseless wash promotes the purchase/use of other Armour products such as the Villian sponge and Amplify detailer. Number one priority sales,sales,sales. Armour coming out with the Villian sponge is definately not about giving you an opportunity to buy a superior product, as I doubt it's any different than other sponges, it's about sales for Armour.

Also to split hairs they dont make it. It is made for them just like most other automotive care product companies.
 
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DFB said:
The sad thing going on here is how ADS get lumped into the "over-hyped" category simply because they launched a new brand and have been relatively successful in doing so.

I know I come across as an ADS fan boy, well that's because I am. I have tried all but the iron remover and the glass coating, there is not a single dud in the lineup. Regardless of price or the age of the company, you can't say that for most of the brands out there.

Put it this way, I have also tried the majority of the Bilt Hamber lineup as well. Apart from Surfex and Atom Mac, there is a reason why you don't hear me saying much about the rest of the range....................................because it's thoroughly average at best.



You know, not much gets said about how some of the mainstream legacy brands who also use social media to their advantage, and quite often far more than some of these low-volume boutique brands like ADS. For example, take a look at the Meguiar's Instagram account. That brand makes multiple posts every day, using the platform to flog old and thoroughly average products that are so out of date its embarrassing. Yet no one pulls them up on that. And yet a small, relatively new brand doing the same, somehow that is devious.
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I like how people bring up the white labelling argument. Like if that's your criteria for criticism, then many of the companies, especially the newer ones, are guilty of that. So once again the differences between the smaller brands is very little so choose who you like and move on. I like a little less hype and a little less marketing (relatively speaking) so I go with that company. Some like more excitement and noise and they go for the other companies. Do what makes you happy.

Speaking of "duds" in Armour's lineup, one I didn't like as much is their Pilot interior cleaner as it caused some streaking on the screen. But other than that, it's good too lol.
 
Nav45 said:
I like how people bring up the white labelling argument. Like if that's your criteria for criticism, then many of the companies, especially the newer ones, are guilty of that. So once again the differences between the smaller brands is very little so choose who you like and move on. I like a little less hype and a little less marketing (relatively speaking) so I go with that company. Some like more excitement and noise and they go for the other companies. Do what makes you happy.

Speaking of "duds" in Armour's lineup, one I didn't like as much is their Pilot interior cleaner as it caused some streaking on the screen. But other than that, it's good too lol.
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Funny, Pilot is probably my favorite from the brand. Go figure.

I'm guessing you don't like the scent?
 
Klasse Act said:
What

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Yeah something to the effect that it's using a different, cheaper foam, etc. Well that may or may not be true but I haven't had any issues with it.
 
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DFB said:
Funny, Pilot is probably my favorite from the brand. Go figure.

I'm guessing you don't like the scent?
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It’s not a bad product, just not my favorite interior cleaner as it leaves more streaks on screens than other ones. I’m really liking the Ethos Fresh interior cleaner these days - less streaky and a bit more cleaning power (slightly foamy). But we're talking minute details here, just minor nitpicky stuff. I wouldn't mind using it in the future and going over the screen a few times. (Detailing products are good these days so we nitpick small things like this LOL)
 
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DFB said:
Funny, Pilot is probably my favorite from the brand. Go figure.

I'm guessing you don't like the scent?
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I used it on my Alcantara with the Colourlock brush and worked great

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Coatingsarecrack said:
Nah they were actually anti Rinseless. It is because of Eddie Colon we have Hero. They didn’t take their time…. They didn’t want to make it.
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BLM said:
That is my recollection as well. I assume they were somewhat forced into coming out with a rinseless wash as everyone and their brother is producing a rinseless wash. If they didnt do so they would be out of the loop.
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I'll third this, I think it was in the intro podcast for Hero that they discussed how Bradley didn't understand how any one would want to rinseless wash their car vs. conventional (to be fair that's coming from someone who lives in Florida and washes cars inside a detail shop), and he/Armour had to be cajoled into making one.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
{The USS} is unique {to TRC} in that they say they picked the foam to make it. Lake country makes a lot of the sponges. Not on USS but they did make the UBS for TRC.
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BLM said:
Armour coming out with the Villian sponge is definitely not about giving you an opportunity to buy a superior product, as I doubt it's any different than other sponges, it's about sales for Armour. Also to split hairs they don't make it. It is made for them just like most other automotive care product companies.
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Sponges aren't any different than any other product, as far as the "supply chain".
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I'll third this, I think it was in the intro podcast for Hero that they discussed how Bradley didn't understand how any one would want to rinseless wash their car vs. conventional (to be fair that's coming from someone who lives in Florida and washes cars inside a detail shop), and he/Armour had to be cajoled into making one.
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Ok sounds good. It still doesn't change anything from what I've said about the company - whether it's lesser investments or their lack of desire to have one product or another. This just shows that they are flexible and willing to change and adapt to the market. Benefits of a smaller company. On the other hand, you have a company like Meguiars which sticks to what it knows for a long time and doesn't change much. They even discontinued their great rinseless D114 apparently because of sales. How long did it take for them to come with ceramic products? Once again, benefits of a smaller operation in this changing environment.

I just want to mention that I miss Meguiars D114. If they were to bring it back it would likely be my go-to.
 
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Coatingsarecrack said:
Lake country manufacturers foams TRC does not.
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What makes you think that? LC and B&S, AFAIK, are simply fabricators, they buy the foam from people who make foam. People who make wood furniture don't have their own lumber mill, Ford and GM don't have their own steel mills (Hyundai actually does, but they also have a shipyard).

If foam fabricators make their own foam, why are they inconsistent with the colors/cut, even across their own product lines? Why in the B&S EdgeGuard do they have a blue "heavy cut" pad, and then a blueBERRY "heavy polishing", isn't that confusing? Why, if they made their own foam, wouldn't that blueberry pad be orange, as most of those in-between-cutting-and-polishing pads are? Or a completely different color like green?

I have publicly asked the question, don't foam pad manufacturers buy enough foam to get custom colors? If not, what industry uses the same types of foam in such large quantities that it's not feasible for polishing pad makers to get custom colors? You guys who influence the influencers feel free to try and get the answer to that.

PS My apologies for going ape crazy here, Crack, if you meant "Lake Country fabricates foam, TRC does not"
 
Setec Astronomy said:
People who make wood furniture don't have their own lumber mill, Ford and GM don't have their own
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Before the 1992 model year, Cadillac imported 25 acres worth of Zebrano trees from Africa and planted a small forest worth in Detroit Michigan in order to supply the Zebrano woodgrain in all Cadillacs from 1992-2005.

They repurposed the custom built double decker 747 cargo jets that were once used to fly Cadillac Allantes from Pinafarina in Italy direct to Detroit Michigan, completing the longest assembly line in the history of motor vehicles that will never be duplicated by any car maker, and loaded them full with 150ft. trees and flew them non stop from Africa to Detroit making sure the trees stayed hydrated and at just the right temperature thanks to Cadillacs patented Climate Control system on board the 747 Boeing Jets.

That’s why the woodgrain in Cadillacs is even finer than Corinthian leather, because they had to set a new Standard of the World. lol. J/k
 
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