Sealant comparison

Awesome RippyD!

Another great comparison to follow how it goes. Very interesting to see how Collinite 915 is holding up against the others. Have often thought about to get it.

And thanks again for shareing your testing with us!

/ Tony
 
Pressure washed with water, washed with CarPro Reset, and rinsed a pressure washer before testing.

Rover update (driver and passenger side)
  • CanCoat doing ok (surprisingly well, to be honest)
  • Polish Angel Cosmic - slowed way down - will likely be done next time
  • MS #5 passenger and driver sides doing well
  • DG coating passenger and driver sides doing well
  • Collinite 845 - doing ok
  • Track Claw - doing ok
  • Sonus SFX-4 - doing ok
  • Finish Kare 1000P - doing ok
  • Duragloss 104 - doing ok
  • Collinite 845 - doing ok
The 6 new products are working well, but are a little slower than I expected. I expected immediate sheeting. It's taking a few seconds with all of them.

I also applied 4 spray-on-hose-off products to the Sentra a week before this test. When I tested then they all failed. I'm calling this installation error. I either over pressure-washed them, or they got rained on too soon after installation. Either way, I'll re-apply those and start over.
 
RippyD said:
Rover update (driver and passenger side)
CanCoat doing ok
Polish Angel Cosmic doing ok
Prima Hydro - barely working and calling it done
MS #5 passenger and driver sides doing well
DG coating passenger and driver sides doing well
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It will be interesting to see how the new graphene products compare to all the new Ceramic bases ones

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Washed with CarPro reset and Big Red Sponge.

Rover update (driver and passenger side)
  • CanCoat doing ok
  • Polish Angel Cosmic - slowed some more, but still going
  • MS #5 passenger and driver sides doing well
  • DG coating passenger and driver sides doing well
  • Collinite 845 - doing ok
  • Track Claw - doing ok
  • Sonus SFX-4 - doing ok
  • Finish Kare 1000P - a little slower than the others on the passenger side
  • Duragloss 104 - doing ok
  • Collinite 845 - doing ok
 
The Rover was filthy. Pressure washed first then washed with Carpro Reset and a Big Red Sponge.

Rover update (driver and passenger side)
  • CanCoat doing ok
  • Polish Angel Cosmic is done. It held on well. It may now be only outrageously expensive and not ridiculously expensive
  • MS #5 passenger and driver sides doing ok - a little slowing
  • DG coating passenger and driver sides doing well
  • Collinite 845 doing well. The fastest clearing of all the sealants on this side
  • Track Claw - getting slow
  • Sonus SFX-4 - getting slow
  • Duragloss 104 - doing well. The second fastest clearing and just a little behind 845
  • Collinite 915 - doing ok and better than Track Claw and SFX-4. A little surprised it's already slower than 845
 
It's funny you say 915 is fading. Back in 2017 we were in Minot ND where my SIL is stationed along with my Daughter and now two Grandsons. I polished her car and finished up with 915. Two years later we are in Minot for the second Grandson. The Daughter delivered a part to me and it was raining of course (seems to do a lot of that there) and all of the horizontal panels were beading like crazy. Couldn't tell on the vertical panels as they were encrusted in dirt, sand and whatever else they use on the roads in the winter up there. The car is a dark bronze metallic and I was thoroughly amazed at the beading and told the daughter that no wax should last this long especially one that has not been washed or touched in two years. I cleaned the car and re-applied 915 again in the Summer of 2019, I do not expect to be back there for two years or have any idea what will happen. Anyway the moral of the story is that 915 apparently lasted two years and of all places Minot ND.
 
davidc said:
It's funny you say 915 is fading. Back in 2017 we were in Minot ND where my SIL is stationed along with my Daughter and now two Grandsons. I polished her car and finished up with 915. Two years later we are in Minot for the second Grandson. The Daughter delivered a part to me and it was raining of course (seems to do a lot of that there) and all of the horizontal panels were beading like crazy. Couldn't tell on the vertical panels as they were encrusted in dirt, sand and whatever else they use on the roads in the winter up there. The car is a dark bronze metallic and I was thoroughly amazed at the beading and told the daughter that no wax should last this long especially one that has not been washed or touched in two years. I cleaned the car and re-applied 915 again in the Summer of 2019, I do not expect to be back there for two years or have any idea what will happen. Anyway the moral of the story is that 915 apparently lasted two years and of all places Minot ND.
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Agree. 915 should be doing at least as well. Maybe I had an application issue on my part?
 
Noticed an issue with the spreadsheet earlier today. A typo was keeping all the data from showing in the first graph. Now fixed. Link in my sig.
 
I keep forgetting how challenging it is to test products in the winter. Washed the Rover with CarPro reset: pressure washed, washed using a Big Red Sponge, and pressure washed to rinse. It's hard to see what's happening in the videos. I added some timings. These are more relative than exact measurements.

In all cases below the sealants applied with DG 601 are performing more slowly. In some cases a little slower and more significantly in others. This is is interesting and unexpected (to me). Performance below is for the sealants directly on the paint (no 601 applied first).

Rover update (driver and passenger side)
  • CanCoat slowing down but still working - clearing in ~6 seconds
  • MS #5 passenger and driver sides doing ok - clearing in ~6-7
  • DG coating passenger and driver sides doing well - clearing in ~5 seconds
  • Collinite 845 doing well. Still clearing faster than anything else at ~2 seconds
  • Track Claw ~8 seconds
  • Sonus SFX-4 ~12 seconds
  • Finish Kare 1000p ~8 seconds
  • Duragloss 104 ~5 seconds
  • Collinite 915 ~7 seconds
Most of these are still working well. SFX-4 is slowing more than the others. For the driver side doors, they are performing in this order (fastest at the top):
  • Collinite 845
  • DG 104
  • Collinite 915
  • Track Claw and Finish Kare 1000
  • SFX-4
I'm surprised to see 845 doing so much better than everything else performance-wise. We'll see how it holds up relative to the others.
 
Been a few weeks since I updated this. Holidays, dark and cold out, busy at work... just couldn't find the time to do some tests. Too long of a testing break, but here we are.

I pressure washed the Rover first. The pw removed almost nothing - a lot of road grime from constant rain and a couple of days with snow. I washed with Carpro Reset and and Big Red Sponge. Had to go over some areas more than once. Then rinsed with the pw.

Rover update (driver and passenger side)
  • CanCoat has slowed considerably - still working and clearing in ~20 seconds
  • MS #5 is done on the driver's side, still working on the passenger side (~25 seconds)
  • DG coating passenger and driver sides has slowed - clearing in ~15 seconds
  • Collinite 845 doing well. Still clearing faster than anything else at ~5 seconds
  • Track Claw is done
  • Sonus SFX-4 is done
  • Finish Kare 1000p is barely hanging on - clearing in ~30 seconds
  • Duragloss 104 clearing in ~10 seconds
  • Collinite 915 appears to be done - this is one I'll need to re-test

Surprising to see Collinite 915 not working as it's widely reported to be more durable than 845. Maybe an application issue? I will also try retesting it to make sure it's really done.

Collinite 845 continues to lead the sealants, which is similar to what I've seen previously. DG 104 is hanging in there as well.
 
spazzz said:
4.5 month update, correct?

Wowza, go 845
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Yes, 4.5 months for the products on the driver side doors. CanCoat has been going for over a year. The products on the rear panels were applied July 22 (passenger) and Aug 10 (driver). Details in the spreadsheet in my signature.
 
Been forever since I updated. I did testing in March, April, and today. Results below and spreadsheet is updated. I added some new products to the Sentra and the Boxster in the last few weeks. Hoping to add some to the Rover if I can get a weekend without rain.

I didn't do a good job of tracking the sealants where I used DG 601 (polish bonding agent). I can say without a doubt that all the sealants had less longevity using 601. I'd have to test again to give good numbers, but I'd guess between 30-50% less time. It is good for getting your sealants to cure quickly.

I'll work on getting videos posted to show that I did the tests on those dates. Will work on that tonight or tomorrow. As usual, they're hard to see with white paint.

March 8 Rover tests
  • CanCoat - still working and clearing in ~12-20 seconds
  • MS #5 is still working on the drivers side (I had this wrong last time - passenger side is done)
  • DG coating taking 10 seconds on passenger and 15 seconds on driver's side
  • Collinite 845 - clearing in ~5 seconds. It's clears notably faster than anything else
  • Finish Kare 1000p is done
  • Duragloss 104 clearing in ~10 seconds
  • Collinite 915 - I called it done last time but it's still working, barely. Will move up the done date
April 12 Rover tests
  • CanCoat - still working and clearing in ~15-20 seconds
  • MS #5 is done
  • DG coating taking ~20+ seconds on passenger and 15 seconds on driver's side
  • Collinite 845 - clearing in ~5 seconds
  • Duragloss 104 clearing in ~10 seconds
Today
  • CanCoat - still working and clearing in ~15 seconds
  • DG coating taking ~15 seconds on drive side, done on passenger side
  • Collinite 845 - clearing in ~10 seconds
  • Duragloss 104 clearing in ~10 seconds
Added to the driver's side of the Sentra on May 28:
  • Aquawax (front half of front door)
  • Sonax High Speed Wax (rear half of the front door)
  • Rupes P808 (front half of rear door)
  • Bead Maker (rear half of rear door)
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Added to the driver's side of the Boxster May 31:
  • Hydro2 to the front quarter panel
  • Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax to front half of door
  • McKee's Hydro Blue to the rear half of door
  • Sonax Spray and Seal to the rear quarter panel

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Tested both the Boxster and the Sentra today with somewhat surprising results. Keep in mind the Boxster is garaged and the Sentra is outside 24x7 and has been driven 500 miles or so in the rain since these sealants were applied. The Boxster has been driven maybe 50 miles in that time.

As of this update I'm changing my measurement process a little. When filming I will stay on one product until it's clear or I call it done. This way even if you can't see it well you can get a sense of how long it's talking to clear water. I'm also checking this without video using a stopwatch. Those are the numbers you see below.

Sentra (video)
  • Aquawax - clearing in 12 seconds
  • Sonax High - 15 seconds
  • Rupes P808 - 45 seconds+
  • Bead Maker - 15 seconds
One not about times: the times on the Sentra with no product or slow product are very different than the times on other cars. The Boxster always clears faster, the Rover is 2nd, and the Sentra is always slower. I don't know if that's the paint, road grime, panel size, panel angles, or something else. Regardless, it's clear to that absolute times across multiple cars are not a good measure of performance. I need to look at how products compare to each other on the same car.

I initially washed the Sentra with N-914. Just to be safe I washed it again with Reset. Results were the same.

Two notable things from the Sentra: times seem a little slow, and P808 just doesn't work for me. I keep trying to get good and consistent results from this product and I it's not happening. At some point I just need to call it.

Boxster (video)
  • Hydro2 - 1 second
  • Meguiar's - 1 second
  • McKee's Hydro Blue - 1 second
  • Sonax Spray and Seal - 1 second
In contrast to the Sentra, water is flying off the Boxster. It's almost instantaneous. I can't keep water on the panels. So maybe it's not the products? Maybe I applied something else and forgot about it? The only other thing I could have applied would be another sealant at least 7-8 months ago, and no sealant I own performs this well after 7 months. I think the performance of these products is real. Note my comment above about the differences between cars. Note also that the Boxster paint is in far better condition than either the Rover or the Sentra. It gets driven less, not driven in harsh conditions, and gets corrected more often.

Just to be sure it was the products I used Duragloss Squeaky Clean on a section of the door to remove the sealants. I used a foam applicator to apply, MF to wipe off, and then washed that area with Reset twice before testing again. As you can see from the video, water movement slowed down considerably where I removed the sealant. I'll have to try these same 4 on the Sentra next to see how they perform.

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I found an error int the spreadsheet. The cost data chart and numbers were WAY off. I knew something didn't look right but I didn't bother to check it. It was a stupid spreadsheet calculation error (details below if interested). 100% my fault, and this data has been wrong for a while. Very sorry about that. Link will show you the corrected data. Here is how it looks now:

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So how did this happen, genius? Short answer: every product had the same cost rather than the actual cost due to a typo I made on the spreadsheet. Had I bothered to do a simple check of the numbers I would have caught it immediately. Below is what I think is the right representation of the cost data from my testing.

Longer, more nerdy explanation: Google Sheets is a very cool product. I use Excel at work frequently which is (imo) a far less cool product. One of the reasons is Google Sheets is so much nice is that it has arrays and a function called arrayformula(). These both let you populate multiple rows or columns rather than having the same formula in every cell. To calculate the cost per product I was using arrayformula() but had also copied it into every cell. So I was getting the cost for top of the list returned by arrayforumula() in every cell.

This kind of error is one of the reasons I hate doing calcs in spreadsheets. Far to easy to get one simple thing wrong and screw up the whole thing. Still on me that this error has been in there a while.

(FYI, Excel now has array formulas as well which helps. It's still lagging Google Sheets by a lot, imo.)
 
Was looking at the cost data chart and decided to re-test a couple. I ended up doing this for about a dozen and will need to do this for the other spray-on products. With previous quantity tests I was measuring the equivalent square footage for 1/2 a sedan on the Rover. It's not the same. The rover has larger, flatter panels. The Sentra has a lot of curves. edges, and the panels are all divided. This equals more time and more product applied. So for all my product amount/time testing going forward I will try to use 1/2 the Sentra to keep things consistent.

It took me this long to realize that there is a big difference in sprayers. Some of them will over-use product, some conserve it well. So when looking at my data you need to consider that. Assume for all the spray-on products that I over-used them by up to 2x. This is less of an issue with the smaller sprayers and misters. I am using the tiny misters some of these products come with and a 2L pressurized sprayer for the products I'm mixing myself. There is likely 5-10 the product applied from the large sprayer. So you need to take these results with some skepticism and look at overall trends as opposed to the rankings.

With the re-testing I did today, 303 Spray Wax is the most cost effective product. But within the limits of my testing and measuring, the top 10-15 are close and would all do well for you. And I haven't re-tested all the spray on products. This list will change as I re-test. I don't expect much change in the top 10, but we'll see.

I'm surprised to see 303 at the top of the list. Not because it's not a good product, but because I just don't hear much about it. My go to is usually Aquawax. It may be 303 going forward. And I tend to forget how good Optiseal is, and it's wipe-on-walk-away. Not at all surprised to see Collinite 845 and FK 1000 near the top. More effort to apply them, but you get 6+ months of protection.

Will try to get the rest of the sprays applied to the Sentra in the next week and then we'll see how the results look.

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Washed the Boxster with N-914 as rinseless. Washed the Rover and the Sentra with Reset and a BRS.

Rover (pass side and driver side - video is terrible, only need to watch first 15 secs and 2:10-2:30)
  • CanCoat - clearing in 10-12 seconds. Working better than previously. Maybe due to warmer temps?
  • DG coating taking ~13 seconds on driver side
  • Collinite 845 - clearing in ~10 seconds
  • Duragloss 104 clearing in ~15 seconds
Note that several the done sealants are still working. They're just slow enough that I called them done and would want to re-apply on my car for better action. Track Claw, FK 1000, and DG coating are all still working, just slowly.

Sentra (video)
  • Aquawax - clearing in 10 seconds
  • Sonax High Speed Wax - 15 seconds
  • Bead Maker - 10 seconds
Boxster (video)
  • Hydro2 - 1 second
  • Meguiar's - 1 second
  • McKee's Hydro Blue - 1 second
  • Sonax Spray and Seal - 1 second
I added a couple of new products to the Rover pass side rear door: Dodo Juice Red Mist and MS #6. I also added Echo+Reload and DG 931 as a QD to the Rover hood (left and right sides respectively, facing the hood. Not sure I'll use these for testing as I'm doing vertical panels now rather than horizontal.

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I added a tab in the spreadsheet (look at the bottom) for the Mystery Sealants so you can see what they are. I replaced MS #2 and #3 with the product names since those were sold on AG after I did my tests. MS #2 is IGL Premier and MS #3 is Polish Angel Viking Shield. These two were traded to me by a pro member here.
 
Few more products added. I had samples but hadn't applied them yet. Finally got a dry day.

Applied DG Squeaky clean on both doors with a Lake Country blue pad, 3 passes. Wanted to be sure any old sealants were gone. Then washed with CarPro Reset. That was yesterday. Washed before application with N-914 rinseless. Here's a video of the sheeting with no product.

I added:
  • Scholl Concepts Barracuda Speed Wax
  • Blackfire synthetic spray wax
  • CarPro EliXir (QD)
  • Also added DG 931 as QD
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RippyD said:
Few more products added. I had samples but hadn't applied them yet. Finally got a dry day.

Applied DG Squeaky clean on both doors with a Lake Country blue pad, 3 passes. Wanted to be sure any old sealants were gone. Then washed with CarPro Reset. That was yesterday. Washed before application with N-914 rinseless. Here's a video of the sheeting with no product.

I added:
  • Scholl Concepts Barracuda Speed Wax
  • Blackfire synthetic spray wax
  • CarPro EliXir (QD)
  • Also added DG 931 as QD
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Out of all these have you seen anything bead or repel water better then PNS?? I'm not seeing anything do better especially if you topped with BSD to prolong it.

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