PaulMys
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Very well said, Ric.
Turtle Wax Hybrid Spray Coating - Are the reviews misleading?
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Very well said, Ric.
Klasse Act
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It was mentioned earlier about 3 in 1 not being too good but maybe the weather was an issue. Temp is oh so important and I'd like some more background on the conditions
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That's right, I don't have enough time with the new TW Spray Coating so I can only make assumptions based on first impressions and experience with other sprays sealants and coatings. We've worked with impressive and expensive spray sealants on the market like IGL Premier, Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz and High Gloss come to mind as high price examples. For Turtle Wax's new spray coating to come anywhere near the performance to where we start making comparisons directly with CQuartz, it would have to have an ingredient or chemistry that completely revolutionizes the coating industry, and greatly leap frogs products that are much less bound by adhering to consumer friendliness, costs of materials, and pricing structure like IGL and PA.
I think a healthy amount of skepticism is good to express, especially if the OP is wondering why current reviewers aren't necessarily going out of their way to compare it directly against CQuartz. The current gap in performance is so far out of reach that there's a big opportunity for the market to produce products that better bridge that gap, and it's more likely that these are the types of products that may fill that void, so that's where I would set its expectations. I'm remaining optimistic about its performance, but just based on my initial impressions if it's based around current options on the market right now, it would certainly be a revolution if it can perform to the same extent as full ceramics. Here's my analogy, if TW Spray Coating is Seal N Shine on steroids, it needs to be the serum that turned Steve Rogers into Captain America in order to compare it against CQuartz. It could be, but I'm not expecting that.
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I've mentioned this before, the cost being only a couple more bucks than say TWSS produces a little "thought" on my part, I'm just sayin'. I'm getting some during Christmas but not sure when I'll be able to use it.
Btw, when does this line hit the stores
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PaulMys
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I've mentioned this before, the cost being only a couple more bucks than say TWSS produces a little "thought" on my part, I'm just sayin'. I'm getting some during Christmas but not sure when I'll be able to use it.
Btw, when does this line hit the stores
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And this is exactly what we need with this product. Testing!
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Egads! Huh? Phooey!
•I must be losing what little bit of sense I
have left up there in the old brain matter.
-Here I am, actively involving myself in a
quasi-serious discussion about some Turtle
Wax products: just the opposite of my original
intentions/reasons for becoming a member of
an Enthusiasts’ detailing forum (AGO) in the
first place. What was I thinking!?!?
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•In most cases like this, a person would
ask for someone to just shoot them, and
put them out of their misery.
-I would, but there are laws in Ohio that
discourage stampedes.
Bob
•I must be losing what little bit of sense I
have left up there in the old brain matter.
-Here I am, actively involving myself in a
quasi-serious discussion about some Turtle
Wax products: just the opposite of my original
intentions/reasons for becoming a member of
an Enthusiasts’ detailing forum (AGO) in the
first place. What was I thinking!?!?
*******************************
•In most cases like this, a person would
ask for someone to just shoot them, and
put them out of their misery.
-I would, but there are laws in Ohio that
discourage stampedes.
Bob
PaulMys
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As enthusiastically as the hoards may flock to your posthumous service Bob, I would still be interested in your opinions.............
Eldorado2k
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I think it’s alot more possible than one may think.. In Jimbos recent video he interviews Michael Stoops of Meguiars, and Stoops makes a statement along the lines of “when it comes to certain things, we may not always be 1st, but you can count on us being the best when we finally do join the crowd and come to market with a latest category of product”... Now he did sort of retract a bit on his statement there, but you could see the smile of confidence that only comes from someone who knows he’s part of an industry giant such as Meguiars.
He went on to speak about the user friendliness of their soon to be released new “coating” and said that it will be the 1st coating that can be applied and not have to be wiped off for 5-10min. unlike the way all current coatings have had to be applied, basically eliminating the risk of high spots and making the process of applying a coating easier than any coating on the market. [I’m paraphrasing]... But either ways, not bad.
As far as big companies having to feel the pain of costs of product and pricing structure? Once again I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the other way around, with smaller companies feeling the pain as opposed to the bigger companies who can afford to buy in much higher quantities and sell on a much broader scale than the lesser known and more expensive boutique/“high quality” brands we here are familiar with.
Just for example, I used to work for a pretty big [but in actuality mid size] aluminum company a few years ago, and we had permission, yes permission to buy directly from industry giants such as Alcoa, Kaiser, among other top aluminum manufacturers in the world.. But the funny thing is that Alcoa and similar big companies won’t allow just anyone to buy from them.. They consider it a complete waste of time to sell to anyone unless you agree to buy a certain amount aka thousands of tons of metal from them per year. So I wouldn’t doubt it if certain deals work in a similar way to where a huge company like TW or Meguiars has the ability to make deals on a much broader scale that’s unavailable to smaller companies who in turn have to charge alot more to their customers to buy and therefore are the real ones who are more bound to costs of materials and pricing structure. That would be a fair, dare I say perfect explanation for their higher prices.
The whales of the industry like AA make more on just their famous Protectant than some detailing companies make across their entire line of products. And that’s a fact.
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I'm not gonna jump the gun on any of these products...I bit on cmx last year and a 95%full bottle sits in my cabinet. I'm gonna do the smart thing and only listen to reviewer's who have never been to Arizona in their lives! However if I had to buy stock in one I cannot go against griots. I've never been upset with anything they sell
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Diamond Dog,
I haven't read the entire thread, but I believe you're overthinking it. I had several applications of Seal N Shine on my car and a single pass with a light polish (Turtle Wax Clean Finish Polish) on a light polishing pad, removed it all, leaving the paint literally squeaky clean.
Like it's been said, TW "target audience" is the average consumer - attention from the "upper level" of detailers is icing on the cake for them. I don't see them marketing a product (to the average consumer) that needs to be sandblasted to remove it.
I think Mike Phillips is right about TW using the wrong WORD to describe how to remove their Ceramic Spray.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I believe you're overthinking it. I had several applications of Seal N Shine on my car and a single pass with a light polish (Turtle Wax Clean Finish Polish) on a light polishing pad, removed it all, leaving the paint literally squeaky clean.
Like it's been said, TW "target audience" is the average consumer - attention from the "upper level" of detailers is icing on the cake for them. I don't see them marketing a product (to the average consumer) that needs to be sandblasted to remove it.
I think Mike Phillips is right about TW using the wrong WORD to describe how to remove their Ceramic Spray.
Klasse Act
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Use on the wheels, this is what I'm doing right now and after 2 weeks and cleanings with Brake Buster and once with DUB wheel cleaner the water still beads. I mean what can it hurt
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PHP:
When Meguiar's launched NXT Tech Wax, the word on the label was WAX but technically it's a synthetic paint sealant.Holy Flashback !!! Man I remember all that drama. Guys were marking their washing machines with sharpie markers and polishing with NXT to prove it had abrasvies..CRAY CRAY !!!
Hmm he have never heard of Polish Angel Cosmic coating and the PA Viking Coat. 30-40 minutes before needed to be wiped off. That's the recommended dwell time before wiping it off though. Do you remember what the recommended dwell time is on the Meguiars coating? Thinking it claims to be haveing around 1 year of longevity from it. So it's still a bit up to the full blown consumer coatings available of now. Actually it's like the claim that Turtle Wax Hybrid Solution Ceramic Spray Coating has LOL. And read it wrong as to you didn't get high spots. But read it again and it's eliminating the risk of high spots. I would not be so certain of that as some consumer don't read instructions and getting it on the whole vehical before they wipe it off LOL. Then wondering why it's so hard to remove. They did this with the HCW to get it more user friendly or more trying to eliminating the risk of something gets horrible wrong when it's applyied. That made it a little different than the usually spray on rinse off products is. It's usually that you is in shaded area and cool to the touch when you apply these kind of products. They bonds and cures so fast the vehicals that they only recommend you to apply it panel by panel. It's not a bad product at all be cause of this. Just a little different that you need to be applying a base layer on an unprotected paint where you dry and buff it off instead of rinse it off. Then it's like others to apply. The other thing I have noticed with HCW is it's need to be applyied on a very good preped paint to get the performance from it and the longevity. The Gyeon Wet Coat and Carpro Hydro2 lite and Sonax Spray and Seal is not so sensitive in getting the performance from them and the longevity is less impacted than HCW. But on a well preped paint and following the recommended first application of it the HCW is on par with the others. You could see some youtubers that had a real problem with reading how it where to be applyied and got a low performance from it.
Strange that they didn't took the M688 coating over from EU and Asia. And whent with a new coating M788 instead. Think that it's cause of doing it so if you don't apply it by description it's easier to correct the misstakes. Often the longevity from it gets lesser. But will be interesting to see how it works for people in the real world use. And think it's going to be easy to work with and a good consumer coating. It can be in the range of the so called coating lite range of products if the longevity from it don't reach the 1 year mark.
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I probably am not being clear in my posts and apologize. I am not questioning the performance of TW Hybrid Coating. Not yet. I also think its awesome when a company you don't expect make a product that is unexpected that may compete with more expensive products and change the market. I was about to buy some and try it until one of their reps posted publicly that it needs to be compouded off. When clarification was asked, that rep reposted COMPOUNDED. No TW rep has come on this thread or that one to correct it.
My original post is centered around the removability of this product, especially on PPF.
I classify a sealant as something more temporary, easily removed a coating is something more permanent and harder to remove. It IS NOT easy for the average consumer to use a polisher and compound. If consumers are the target audience, then this is the issue.
I use sealants (easily removed) because they are easy to apply, easy to remove. I know that if I got a coating like Cquartz it would last longer.
I think its reasonable for an enthusiasts to want to switch products or remove to get a clean base coat. You can do this with most sealant with a chemical wipedown.
The point of my post was to communicate that I feel all the influencer reviews compare this product either to TW Seal and Shine which needs to be compounded off according to them, or other Sealants. If this has characteristics of Coatings then it should be compared to other coatings like Cquartz. When people get passionate on the board and say that it can't hold a candle to Cquartz, they are aligning with what I am trying to convey. This is a more accurate comparison (not in performance, but in the characteristics of the products....specifically compounding off).
My analogy is that TW is comparing Oxy to Aspirin as far as a pain killer. Aspirin will kill the pain, but nowhere near that of Oxy, but there are other things about Oxy that should be discussed and a more accurate comparison would be to do reviews on Oxy vs Dilauded.
The other point I was trying to make was that I was hoping that people outside the influencers, that were wined and dined, post their experiences as (big shocker here) the influencers seem a bit biased. I am hoping people address the compounding / removal without complex tools in their reviews.
The other option is for people to tell me that layering different product without removing them is not a big deal. It ok to change product from different manufacturers and just put them over each other without removing and it will not affect the longevity of the new product that much. But then why do detailers talk so much of starting with a clean surface so much?
My original post is centered around the removability of this product, especially on PPF.
I classify a sealant as something more temporary, easily removed a coating is something more permanent and harder to remove. It IS NOT easy for the average consumer to use a polisher and compound. If consumers are the target audience, then this is the issue.
I use sealants (easily removed) because they are easy to apply, easy to remove. I know that if I got a coating like Cquartz it would last longer.
I think its reasonable for an enthusiasts to want to switch products or remove to get a clean base coat. You can do this with most sealant with a chemical wipedown.
The point of my post was to communicate that I feel all the influencer reviews compare this product either to TW Seal and Shine which needs to be compounded off according to them, or other Sealants. If this has characteristics of Coatings then it should be compared to other coatings like Cquartz. When people get passionate on the board and say that it can't hold a candle to Cquartz, they are aligning with what I am trying to convey. This is a more accurate comparison (not in performance, but in the characteristics of the products....specifically compounding off).
My analogy is that TW is comparing Oxy to Aspirin as far as a pain killer. Aspirin will kill the pain, but nowhere near that of Oxy, but there are other things about Oxy that should be discussed and a more accurate comparison would be to do reviews on Oxy vs Dilauded.
The other point I was trying to make was that I was hoping that people outside the influencers, that were wined and dined, post their experiences as (big shocker here) the influencers seem a bit biased. I am hoping people address the compounding / removal without complex tools in their reviews.
The other option is for people to tell me that layering different product without removing them is not a big deal. It ok to change product from different manufacturers and just put them over each other without removing and it will not affect the longevity of the new product that much. But then why do detailers talk so much of starting with a clean surface so much?
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Yes. Exactly.
I was the Point Person at Meguiar's to deal with all the craziness. I wrote the concept for NXT Tech Wax in a report I wrote for upper management called,
The Zaino Case Study
NXT was listed as the solution to the problem on page 31.
I am in fact a veteran of the NXT vs Zaino Wax Wars.
Car Wax History
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The Guz
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Take it from me and others when I tell you that coatings are not that hard to remove. As I mentioned 99% of the time a polish will remove it.
A light polish won't hurt PPF either.
Coatings are still semi-permanent. They just degrade slower than a wax or sealant. Don't be afraid to try out the TW product if you have the desire to try it out.
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
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...never mind. Doh!
Eldorado2k
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I was paraphrasing. Those exact words are likely missing an important detail or two.. I was just doing my best to remember the video off the top of my head in hopes that the people who would read it would know about the video I was referring to.
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If anyone deserves blame it’s me, for not getting the quote completely correct... But I tend to type fast and didn’t have the patience to stop and watch the video again in order to make sure I got the quote completely correct.. It was like a 15min. interview, cut me some slack. Lol
But those of you who’ve watched the video know what I’m talking about..