Can you Believe this is a Hyundai

[Desertnate]

That red is really nice and I like the refreshed front end. It's a good looking car.

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to maintain those gloss black wheels!

 

[Klasse Act]

That red is really nice and I like the refreshed front end. It's a good looking car.

I'm just glad I'm not the one having to maintain those gloss black wheels!

They're actually satin black, a "little" easier to clean...and weigh 8 lbs less per wheel than my OEM rims

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[Klasse Act]

These things have presense inperson️

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[Desertnate]

I'm really liking the Ioniq5 N.

We've seen a few of the new Santa Fe's on the road in my area. Not sure how I feel about them right now. I really like how the tail lights run across the bottom of the rear hatch in order for the tail gate to span the entire opening width of the vehicle. That's a great design choice from a functionality standpoint.

 

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Not saying anything good or bad about Hyundai, just a discussion point.

Hyundai Dealership Refuses To Replace Elantra N Engine Because Of 'Over Revving' - Jalopnik

A Canadian student mechanic got a rude awakening when a local Hyundai dealer refused to honor the automaker’s warranty for his Elantra N’s blown engine. Christian Matzoros bought the 2022 Elantra N just two years ago – paying for an extended warranty that made him think he had complete coverage...

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[Klasse Act]

Not saying anything good or bad about Hyundai, just a discussion point.

Hyundai Dealership Refuses To Replace Elantra N Engine Because Of 'Over Revving' - Jalopnik

A Canadian student mechanic got a rude awakening when a local Hyundai dealer refused to honor the automaker’s warranty for his Elantra N’s blown engine. Christian Matzoros bought the 2022 Elantra N just two years ago – paying for an extended warranty that made him think he had complete coverage...

jalopnik.com

I guess Canada doesn't have 10/100K warranty but doesn't matter, the rev limiter should be keeping the engine safe

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I guess Canada doesn't have 10/100K warranty but doesn't matter, the rev limiter should be keeping the engine safe

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He paid for the extra extended warranty but In the comments on the article there was a lot of speculation about downshifting with too much speed on board, which voids the warranty. Apparently the ECU recorded multiple hits on the rev limiter.

 

[SNP209]

He paid for the extra extended warranty but In the comments on the article there was a lot of speculation about downshifting with too much speed on board, which voids the warranty. Apparently the ECU recorded multiple hits on the rev limiter.

If it's a manual transmission then my guess is he "money shifted" it at the track and tried to limp back home but it died on him on the way back

 

[TTQ B4U]

He paid for the extra extended warranty but In the comments on the article there was a lot of speculation about downshifting with too much speed on board, which voids the warranty. Apparently the ECU recorded multiple hits on the rev limiter.

if the car can't handle bouncing off the rev limiter then they either need to reconsider how they position the trim level or adjust the rev limiter. I've never been a fan of the brand. much better than they were in days past but still not where I'd want to park my money today.

 

[Klasse Act]

If it's a manual transmission then my guess is he "money shifted" it at the track and tried to limp back home but it died on him on the way back

I bet that's what happened, rev limiter or not, physics come into play at some point

There's people who will never give Hyundai the time of day because of badge snobery but bottom line MANY people track N's without a problem and I'm sure if your dumb with any brand at the track you'll pay the price...ANY BRAND️️

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[Desertnate]

The article isn't really helpful and doesn't provide any meaningful information. What was the diagnosis for the "bad engine"? It borders on click-bait, IMO.

Anyway there are few things I find interesting:

1. The dealership says the engine was over revved "several times". Multiple occurrences to me sounds like simply hitting the rev limiter. No harm no foul there because the rev limiter did it's job.

2. If it was a money shift, the car would have died at the scene of the crime. I don't know of cars being drivable after that happens

3. The guy admitted to taking it to a drag strip. That alone will put you on the bad side of a dealer or manufacturer, but you should also know you "pay to play" the minute you put it in a HPDE, drag strip, or other competitive environment. No matter the capabilities of the car or how it's marketed, I don't know of any brand that will do a warranty claim for something that happened at a track. Your car insurance doesn't even cover you in those instances. Either way, drag racing you shift up and might hive the rev limiter, but I can't imagine shifting down to cause a money shift.

There is more going on here that isn't being reported. It all doesn't add up for me, but the admitted drag strip time likely killed his case.

If we take the story at face value and ignore some of the above facts (i.e. a money shift happening), simply denying a warranty claim for hitting the rev limiter is a huge foul. Those things kick on to prevent any damage to the engine and many are likely set hundreds of RPM's below the actual point an engine would pop.

At my autocross event that past weekend, there were two Veloster N's and a brand new Elantra N that got through all their runs just fine. The Veloster's were even tuned/modded.

@Klasse Act - How does the rev limiter work in the Elantra N? Is it a soft limiter where you just bounce off it and maintain revs at a fixed point, or is it a hard cut off that cuts fuel?

 

[Klasse Act]

It just bounces off of it, I haven't done it myself but I've heard other owners talk about it.

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[Karl_in_Chicago]

It just bounces off of it, I haven't done it myself but I've heard other owners talk about it.

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I don't know the specifics of that motor but with the "old school" motors like SBC's bouncing off the rev limiter can eventually lead to "bad things". Yes, the limiter is kicking in and keeping the motor from spinning beyond the set RPM limit but it isn't some gentle governor that just sets and holds the motor to that upper RPM. Instead the motor (assuming the heavy foot never lifts) HITS the limit and then falls back then HITS it and on and on - a lot of things in the motor that AREN'T pistons/rings can suffer. It can be hard on the cam chain, especially a stock one, for example and lead to failure (or premature wear) or even the chain jumping a tooth. That's just one example with which I'm familiar. Rev limiters are great and keep the worst case scenarios from taking place but don't relieve all the supporting pieces from being stressed/worn if the limiter is being constantly engaged on a regular basis and/or for prolonged periods.

Again, I know next to nothing about the motor in question here so standard disclaimers about salt and whatnot apply.

 

[Klasse Act]

I'm assuming he tried to NO LIFT SHIFT the car

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[TTQ B4U]

These things have presense inperson️

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Pretty much what I expected

 

[Klasse Act]

Pretty much what I expected

So I'm conflicted about the IONIC5N when it comes to driving dynamics, let me explain. I love Misha's YouTube channel and he drove the tires off of it and LOVED IT️

Then another channel I enjoy AND trust, Savagegeese hated how it drove on their home track, both of them are track guys too

...not sure who to believe here

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[TTQ B4U]

So I'm conflicted about the IONIC5N when it comes to driving dynamics, let me explain. I love Misha's YouTube channel and he drove the tires off of it and LOVED IT️

Then another channel I enjoy AND trust, Savagegeese hated how it drove on their home track, both of them are track guys too

...not sure who to believe here

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SavageGeese are pretty fair guys. They even noted the engineers spent time with them reviewing the features, etc. I've never driven one and am not a fan for many reasons, but the fake noises and gears, etc., are such corny gimmicks that I can't take the car seriously. I'm also not a fan of the look either.

The only real thing it had going for it was that it was supposed to be a track-capable car tuned for the streets. I don't see that. It's quick but the M3P is quicker and overall a much more refined car for the road.

 

[Klasse Act]

SavageGeese are pretty fair guys. They even noted the engineers spent time with them reviewing the features, etc. I've never driven one and am not a fan for many reasons, but the fake noises and gears, etc., are such corny gimmicks that I can't take the car seriously. I'm also not a fan of the look either.

The only real thing it had going for it was that it was supposed to be a track-capable car tuned for the streets. I don't see that. It's quick but the M3P is quicker and overall a much more refined car for the road.

I never thought I'd be doing this but it has more to with "old, tired but" about Hyundai, plus the conflict I have. This guy's a racecar driver and I'm sorry, an M3P isn't beating it on the Ring

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[Klasse Act]

This just came up today, maybe one person's experience but I'm sure the majority of track N users have a similar experience

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[Desertnate]

So I'm conflicted about the IONIC5N when it comes to driving dynamics, let me explain. I love Misha's YouTube channel and he drove the tires off of it and LOVED IT️

Then another channel I enjoy AND trust, Savagegeese hated how it drove on their home track, both of them are track guys too

...not sure who to believe here

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I wouldn't be too conflicted over it. All of them are individual's opinions, nothing more.

I used to watch Savagegeese occasionally, but found on several cars they obsessed over and criticized a car over something that was very minor or something they didn't personally like, but had no bearing on the performance of the vehicle. In the end they aren't any different than some of the other YouTuber's putting out quality content like Everyday Driver or Throttle House. I watch a couple of them who've I've been able to see have similar tastes in car characteristics to mine. Then I'll plow into objective test data from somewhere like Car and Driver and follow up somewhere like Grass Roots Motorsports where they've got a staff of guys who have been racing for decades at multiple levels of competition.

As for the Iconiq5 N, I've yet to read a single bad review (5 or 6 at this point) from the actual driving dynamics and performance. Some may be critical of the gimmicks like the sounds and the fake transmission shifts, but not the way it moves around a track.

Personally, I don't get why automakers keep trying to give EV's the characteristics of gas cars. They are nothing alike, they deliver power to the road differently, they are going to sound way different, and you have to drive them differently. Accept the uniqueness and lean into it. Invoke themes of an X Wing Fighter, Tie Fighter, or the Starship Enterprise and move on. Set up the drive train to take advantage of the instant torque and seamless power delivery from a stop all the way to light-speed and don't slow it down with paddle shifts and a fake transmission. I want a performance EV to be like this monster EV. If I want to have a car that channels the glory of the WRC's Group B days, I'll get a WRX STI or Civic Type R.