Lake Country Hydro Pads

[David Fermani]

OK. Let me ask this, would there be a demand for the Hydro Pads in 7/8". With or without loop to the edge? I have no problem doing that at all. I also have a detailing company outside of Lake Country so I can understand what everyone likes, prefers. If per say Autogeek wants a thinner Hydro pad, then that is the first thing I will be workingon on Mon when I get back in the office. Making something is not a problemm having someone carry the item is the obstacle. I hope this makes sense.

Eric - You really need to bring these pads back. I have a few left in my personal stash and I (as well as many others) can honestly say that they cut better than any other design *currently on the market* via DA. You want the thinnest pad possible for DA correction. It needs to basically be a CMA style pad without the blue "Constant Pressure" foam backing. That softens up the sidewall of the pad and creats a loss of friction that is so critical with this method. Here's some comparison pictures:

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Eric - You really need to bring these pads back. I have a few left in my personal stash and I (as well as many others) can honestly say that they cut better than any other design *currently on the market* via DA. You want the thinnest pad possible for DA correction. It needs to basically be a CMA style pad without the blue "Constant Pressure" foam backing. That softens up the sidewall of the pad and creats a loss of friction that is so critical with this method. Here's some comparison pictures:

Do the "thin" pads finish as well as the Hydro techs?

Also, do you feel the "constant pressure" foam is an added benefit? Does it help cut better compared to the same color pad without the "constant pressure" foam?

 

[David Fermani]

Do the "thin" pads finish as well as the Hydro techs?

Also, do you feel the "constant pressure" foam is an added benefit? Does it help cut better compared to the same color pad without the "constant pressure" foam?

I suggest LC to use this design option for all their pads. Very rarley can/should you "finish" with an orange/cyan(cutting) pad, but differences are marginal at best. Where the difference lies is in the cutting power!! Constant Pressure is a wonder design for rotary applications. It makes ZERO sence for DA use.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

It makes ZERO sence for DA use.

Very interesting.

Would you still consider a Flex 3401 a DA?

 

[David Fermani]

I consider it unneeded IMHO. Don't care for them.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Don't care for them.

In a nutshell, why is that?

 

[David Fermani]

If my PC XP won't work (which is super rare), I'll use my rotary. Don't need a "hybrid" of them.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

If my PC XP won't work (which is super rare), I'll use my rotary. Don't need a "hybrid" of them.

Understandable.

For those of us that don't use a rotary, the Flex is great! :xyxthumbs:

 

[O.C.Detailing]

Guys, this isn't a thread meant for everyone to share design ideas for all the pads they can think of. It's meant to fix the HT pad issues causing the pads to tear apart and the backing to come off. If you have an idea for a pad and would like to see it executed by LC, it'd probably be best to send Eric a PM or post your own thread. Let's keep this one on topic for the Hydro-tech pad issues please.

 

[David Fermani]

Guys, this isn't a thread meant for everyone to share design ideas for all the pads they can think of. It's meant to fix the HT pad issues causing the pads to tear apart and the backing to come off. If you have an idea for a pad and would like to see it executed by LC, it'd probably be best to send Eric a PM or post your own thread. Let's keep this one on topic for the Hydro-tech pad issues please.

You better go back and read the 1st post then, because it's about how great the pads are, not about super isolated cases of them falling apart from possible pad design and user error issues. Eric asked a question and I replied to it.

 

[loudog2]

You better go back and read the 1st post then, because it's about how great the pads are, not about super isolated cases of them falling apart from possible pad design and user error issues. Eric asked a question and I replied to it.

:iagree: I do have to agree. There has been a lot more topics and questions in this thread other than issues. You might want to start a Hydro issues/resolution thread.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

It's meant to fix the HT pad issues causing the pads to tear apart and the backing to come off.

Go back to the OP words, they have nothing to do with fixing HT pads. The thread grew into that, therefore, it's fair game.

 

[David Fermani]

It's ok to go off on a tangent sometimes as long as discussion is helpful and people's panties don't bunch up too much.

 

[O.C.Detailing]

You better go back and read the 1st post then, because it's about how great the pads are, not about super isolated cases of them falling apart from possible pad design and user error issues. Eric asked a question and I replied to it.

Super isolated? lol Apparently you haven't really been keeping up with just how many people are having this issue then, have you? LOTS of people are having the same issues.

The post started out stating how good the pads are and then those of us, including some AG staff members, starting talking about the backing failing and the pads tearing apart with very little use. It never steered away from the HT pads. The post you made, I'm not sure even applies to the HT pads at all.

The HT pads have problems that we're trying to help resolve. So making a post about how great the pads are needs to be supplemented with the fact that there is a problem with them failing and HOPEFULLY with how the issue has been resolved by the manufacturer and those of us selected to test them.

OH, and below is a picture of how 5 of the 14 HT pads I had fail:

and another photo showing that they have almost no wear what-so-ever:

 

[David Fermani]

Super isolated? lol Apparently you haven't really been keeping up with just how many people are having this issue then, have you? LOTS of people are having the same issues.

I'll stand by what Eric has already stated:

In our testing, we have had no problem. The remedy would be to not use a ton of pressure on the DA. It does have its limitations on what it can do. Out of the 5000+ Hydro pads we have sold, I personally have heard of only 3 problems.

I'd call that isolated.

Haven't noticed any widespread issues on the 4-5 detailing forums I frequent? I've gone through several dozen hydro pads and haven't had one single issue with them delaminating or any other LC pad for that matter.

Are you using these pads damp/wet? In your pics, both sides of the pad look saturated. How much pressure are you applying?

 

[O.C.Detailing]

haha Everyone asks that same thing. I used them no different than I've used any other pad I've purchased. If you read all of my posts in this thread, I've stated they failed in as little as 2 uses. I do not use too much pressure and the pads don't overheat as we were working indoors with pretty much all of them.

As far as an "isolated" issue, if you bought 14 pads and ALL 14 of them failed from the same 2 issues, you wouldn't call that isolated either. Let's not pretend you would.

I'm occassionally using them damp, but not soaking wet. We spin our pads as dry as possible with a rotary after cleaning them. We use enough pressure to correct what we're working on. Neither one of us used more pressure with the HT pads than we do with CCS pads and NONE of our CCS pads have failed under all of the same circumstances as the HT pads, so yes, there is an issue and Eric is working with us to resolve the problems.

 

[David Fermani]

As far as an "isolated" issue, if you bought 14 pads and ALL 14 of them failed from the same 2 issues, you wouldn't call that isolated either. Let's not pretend you would.

I'm occassionally using them damp, but not soaking wet.

I'd either call that a bad batch or user error.

I suggest you read this:

Caring for Closed Cell Foam Pads (Cyan, Tangerine, Meguiars Maroon) - Truth In Detailing Auto Detailing Forum

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I'd either call that a bad batch or user error.

I suggest you read this:

Caring for Closed Cell Foam Pads (Cyan, Tangerine, Meguiars Maroon) - Truth In Detailing Auto Detailing Forum

Interesting.

 

[O.C.Detailing]

lol David, you're being extremely rude and I don't appreciate it. We've CLEARLY explained that we did nothing different with the HT pads than we do with the CCS pads, which we're having NO ISSUES with.

I shouldn't have to change my detailing habits to an extreme to keep a pad from failing in just a few uses. I've read plenty of posts of other people having the same issues. If you're not having issues, good for you. Please start your own post if you want him to ressurect an older pad for you. In this thread, we've clearly stated the correction ability of the HT pads is awesome, but there is a serious problem with the backing adhesive failing and the pad being torn apart around the edge not protected by the backing. We didn't cut them ourselves to be glory hounds. I don't like wasting my money on products that fail after an unacceptable number of uses.

So please, I'll ask you nicely to quit insinuating that we are the cause of the pad failures we've had in the past with the HT pads, because that's all I'm getting from your posts.

That link you pasted shows exactly the same failure issues we've had. Unfortunately...I shouldn't have to wait DAYS for a pad to dry before I can use it again. That's unreasonable, and just to clarify before you post something else insulting and demeaning, I have cleaned them, left them to dry over a weekend and come back and had the backing come off, so no, letting them dry before you use them again ISN'T solving the problem.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I have cleaned them, left them to dry over a weekend and come back and had the backing come off, so no, letting them dry before you use them again ISN'T solving the problem.

Good info.