It might not be actual dirt but just staining because even with that stained sponge, the Griot’s cleaned and performed very well. And the drying off is really nice. Kind of like ONR where the stained sponge doesn’t make too much of a difference - it bothers some people but not others.I would rather have dirt release for sure but I scrub my sponge onto the grit guard all the time and wring out real good, I think I'm good
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I was good for so long...and then last year I fell off the wagon, first Idrosave and then...Black Friday.
We'll never really know, of course. But isn't it possible, after admitting that the Brilliant Finish wasn't a good product, that they were unable to formulate anything better than the "benchmark" and decided "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? It wouldn't be the first time OPT private-labeled ONR for someone. (That story was revealed on the OPT forum by the OPT rep, so that's not speculation).
OPT always said that the ONR broke down the dirt into such small particles that it penetrated deep into the media and wouldn't release, but those particles were so small that they posed no harm to the finish. My problem with it is once it gets stained, you can't see how much dirt is coming off the panel, so you don't know whether you need to rinse in the middle of the panel, or if the panel's clean (yet). Yes, I know the solution (so to speak) is the multiple-media method, I just haven't been able to get myself to like that yet (haven't found the right media for that--for me).
Oh boy...I got into a lot of trouble that way. Ask me how many bottles of pre-VOC 845 I have. Not to mention #16.
Yeah, if I get amped up enough about this, I might have to buy some to compare--if only you could buy an 8oz bottle like ONR.
ONR is always a top notch product and is not over hyped like some. Since I use a sponge a lot, I don't like the staining part for some of the reasons you mentioned. When a lighter colored sponge gets dirty, one doesn't know if its new dirt or old dirt or just staining.
I've been using the USS for a while, it's not terrible at seeing dirt. I like the fact I don't need to let it soak in solution. I went back to using the BRS so I could see what I was pulling off the paint.
Honestly I don't remember Scottwax using QEW, I was a little late to the party at Autopia, only joining in 2004. But it makes sense since he became a big ONR user (I think?) later. And I tried to start a FC&S/Z-6 debate--I think in this thread!
I agree. They're not gonna give someone else a cut of their profits if they don't have to. ONR may very well have been one of their benchmarks.
Maybe they found that they couldn't make the "benchmark" for any cheaper than buying it from OPT. Or maybe they are having capacity problems in their manufacturing facility and don't want to expand it or hire more people, so they decided it would be simpler to outsource it. They seem to have no problem giving microfiber towel manufacturers a "cut of their profits", or the people that make other stuff for them.
Any chance we know who makes their PFM towels? I could live and die happy with those and the Gyeon towels... but costs reflect that too
