New ONR Hyper Foam

Someone from Optimum came on the Optimum forum and explained the decon wash a little more:

"Optimum Touchless Decon Wash is a much stronger product than Optimum Car Wash and he managed to accomplish this while keeping the formula PH neutral.

This product has a few different use cases and end users:

1. Touchless wash for frequently washed vehicles: foam on, allow to dwell, rinse, dry vehicle with an air blower.

2. Decontamination Wash for Pro Detailers and end users with Ceramic Coated vehicles. It is strong enough to replace Power Clean as the first decon step before claying, iron removal, and mineral deposit removal. It is also strong enough for periodic ceramic coating decon without extra steps.

3. Industrial applications like farm equipment. We've had people with farm equipment have trouble in the sun using things like Power Clean to decon their coated farm equipment. Touchless Decon solves this problem nicely.

Dr. G gave us something stronger than car wash, safer than Power Clean, and allows us to have the convenience of touchless washes when practical. Give it a try."
 
I believe what has changed in detailing is not the products as much as detailers on youtube and celebrities creatingso many new product brand since YT is a marketing medium.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Someone from Optimum came on the Optimum forum and explained the decon wash a little more:

"Optimum Touchless Decon Wash is a much stronger product than Optimum Car Wash and he managed to accomplish this while keeping the formula PH neutral.

This product has a few different use cases and end users:

1. Touchless wash for frequently washed vehicles: foam on, allow to dwell, rinse, dry vehicle with an air blower.

2. Decontamination Wash for Pro Detailers and end users with Ceramic Coated vehicles. It is strong enough to replace Power Clean as the first decon step before claying, iron removal, and mineral deposit removal. It is also strong enough for periodic ceramic coating decon without extra steps.

3. Industrial applications like farm equipment. We've had people with farm equipment have trouble in the sun using things like Power Clean to decon their coated farm equipment. Touchless Decon solves this problem nicely.

Dr. G gave us something stronger than car wash, safer than Power Clean, and allows us to have the convenience of touchless washes when practical. Give it a try."
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If it can really perform as stated above and is really PH neutral, or close to it, then they could have a winner on their hands
 
So what is the true purpose of foam? Dr. G once told me that foam (reference car soaps) was 50% product.

Clinging, rinsing, etc?
 
Bunky said:
So what is the true purpose of foam? Dr. G once told me that foam (reference car soaps) was 50% product.

Clinging, rinsing, etc?
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Clinging and preference IMO. When I use BH Touch-Less, I use it in a sprayer. Some have found using sprayers works better than foaming despite the increased dwell time of foam.

Foaming is what many want. The Decon ONR uses some type of high concentrated surfactant with great cleaning ability per OPT.
 
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The "Touchless Decon Wash" isn't an ONR product and states rinsing as a step in the instructions. As much as I love Dr. G, these products almost seem like a "me too"; someone told Dr. G that some people like a rinseless that's surfactanty (DIY, N-914), and that people are liking decon washes, so he said "yeah, I can do that". At the risk of repeating myself, per Dr. G's own admission, he's not a detailer, so he relies on "detailers" to steer him with products and this has played out in various ways over the years.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
The "Touchless Decon Wash" isn't an ONR product and states rinsing as a step in the instructions. As much as I love Dr. G, these products almost seem like a "me too"; someone told Dr. G that some people like a rinseless that's surfactanty (DIY, N-914), and that people are liking decon washes, so he said "yeah, I can do that". At the risk of repeating myself, per Dr. G's own admission, he's not a detailer, so he relies on "detailers" to steer him with products and this has played out in various ways over the years.
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I remember a video not too long ago with Dr. G and AG. They asked him about decon and he pushed the question off bc he's not a detailer.

The market has changed, for better or worse, and I think OPT is trying to stay afloat and relevant. Some of their line fell behind the times a bit.
 
Apparently Dr. G was sick and wasn't really there for a couple of years, that's when Yvan and Dann went crazy with bed liner and stuff. Over the years the people who have gotten Dr. G's ear seem to be people that are not employees of the company, or may be but they have their own businesses as well, so they have interests that may diverge from OPT's; I think that may historically have been part of the problem. There is also the tension between markets--OPT is a very small company, but they span (or did) OEM applications (providing polishes to GM for production line paint correction), dealers, pro detailers, and...the rest of us.
 
CleanIT said:
Well EC likes it. Called it a "banger".
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That was a little weird, him trying to thread the needle now that he has his own brand.

Still not really sure where this product fits in, if it's just a rinseless for people that like surfactant RW vs. polymer, whether it's going to be a pre-rinse for a polymer RW, etc. I noticed in the video when he foamed it on with the IK it really hung on the vehicle, but he went right to contact wash (he seemed to be in a hurry). I would have been more interested to see if the foam broke down after a minute or two, to allow the grit etc. to run off. I have never been a big pre-rinser for rinseless, but when I do I want to flush stuff off the surface, which this foam didn't seem to be doing.

I will probably not be able to resist trying a small bottle of it, but I'm probably going to wait and see what else pops up for SEMA in a month.

It's funny how we and the mfrs just keep making detailing more complicated instead of simpler. Didn't they used to have a flow chart here at AG to try to explain the detailing process to newbs, I think Meg's did also at their forum/store. I'm just imagining someone new..."so...I have to have 5 rinseless washes, a polymer, a surfactant, one with SiO2 that leaves nothing behind, one with SiO2 that leaves something behind, and one that foams?"
 
Setec Astronomy said:
It's funny how we and the mfrs just keep making detailing more complicated instead of simpler.
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TRUTH.

As you and others have stated, Dr G. was sick a while back. Per their regional sales guy "We are working very hard over here at OPT and Opti-Coat, improving everything company wide."

I like the idea behind this ONR Foam due to dwell time and versatility. Using it as a bucket wash is nice too. It's probably a mix of market demand due to so many RW's now on the market.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Still not really sure where this product fits in, if it's just a rinseless for people that like surfactant RW vs. polymer, whether it's going to be a pre-rinse for a polymer RW, etc. I noticed in the video when he foamed it on with the IK it really hung on the vehicle, but he went right to contact wash (he seemed to be in a hurry). I would have been more interested to see if the foam broke down after a minute or two, to allow the grit etc. to run off. I have never been a big pre-rinser for rinseless, but when I do I want to flush stuff off the surface, which this foam didn't seem to be doing.
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I haven't been part of this conversation till now so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.


I think I can see some value to this product. By adding a foaming element to this it will make it easier to where I have cleaned as I go. The foam would be moved or disturbed. This is one thing I notice about a lot of YTube detailers. when doing a rinse-less wash they spray and wipe but many time miss section of a panel as they go. Having the foam would be a visual that they missed a spot. Because of how ONR works I don't know if the foam actually has any additional cleaning value other than the visual part.


I wouldn't plan on using this as a Pre-Rinse Foam wash type product. I don't see this as that type of Pre-Rinse Foam type product.


In my case I will probably try a small bottle first but then would anticipate replacing my regular ONR with this new version. I have a number of different wash soap options; but its more because I like variety and not because I need 10 different car soaps.
 
TroyScherer said:
I haven't been part of this conversation till now so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
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Why does that make your thoughts not valid?

TroyScherer said:
I wouldn't plan on using this as a Pre-Rinse Foam wash type product. I don't see this as that type of Pre-Rinse Foam type product.
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Why not, if you are going to pre-rinse with your RW, perhaps at a different dilution, why wouldn't you use this for a pre-rinse?

TroyScherer said:
In my case I will probably try a small bottle first but then would anticipate replacing my regular ONR with this new version. I have a number of different wash soap options; but its more because I like variety and not because I need 10 different car soaps.
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I almost never use ONR for washing a car anymore, I use it more around the house. If I'm washing with an ONR product, it's ONRWW, so I don't see the foaming replacing that, for me. But we all like our variety of products and trying new things, I was just observing for someone new to this, it was bad enough trying to understand the differences between conventional and rinseless washes, now we are breaking up the rinseless into seemingly many different categories.
 
Hey Troy, welcome back from waaaaay back! ONRWW, yeah, you've been gone a loooong time, many improvements since that. When your low on that, check out Gyeon Q2 ECO wash

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Klasse Act said:
Hey Troy, welcome back from waaaaay back! ONRWW, yeah, you've been gone a loooong time, many improvements since that. When your low on that, check out Gyeon Q2 ECO wash

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How is the ecowash? My initial thought was Gyeon was late to the game and put one together that is likely very good but in a small fancy bottle and overpriced lol. Similar to Ech20?
 
CleanIT said:
How is the ecowash? My initial thought was Gyeon was late to the game and put one together that is likely very good but in a small fancy bottle and overpriced lol. Similar to Ech20?
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I like it ALOT, infact, come spring next year, I'll be getting a gallon size, I like it THAT much. Now I also like ADS Hero as well and that product has something "different" because I recycle my old RW, meaning it goes in my tire and wheel bucket to keep my brushes wet when doing cleanings there and over a couple days there's what I would describe as a film ontop of the water, not an issue but an observation

Gyeon Q2 ECO wash is nothing like Ech2o, another product I'll always have in my collection because sometimes you want a BOOST in Shine and Protection and when you don't, I've got DIY Detail RW, Griot's Garage Brillant Shine rinseless wash and others

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Klasse Act said:
Hey Troy, welcome back from waaaaay back! ONRWW, yeah, you've been gone a loooong time, many improvements since that. When your low on that, check out Gyeon Q2 ECO wash

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I am still around and up on most products. I don't get into the flavor of the month stuff much anymore, so most of the time I don't see the need to comment or jump on the latest things.

I am half way through a gallon of ONR v5 that is the newest stuff as well on my second gallon of Absolute. I also have a number of other rinse-less washes some newer some tried and true.

I have found that the McKee's 37 SiO2 Rinseless Wash mixed as QD works great as my drying aid product and adds that extra slickness and gloss I am looking for.


I tried a few of the Gyeon car washes and was never blown away. Q2 ECO wash is something I will most likely never try.
 
I’m thinking this new foaming rinseless only complicates things if one allows it to do so.
My initial thought on a foaming rinseless, without knowing much about the product is a number of already established pre soak products and methods would do a better job than one that is trying to be everything.
So I am not one to jump on a new product. If it is a game changer and worth using then it will be so in a year or so when I am ready to try it. Meantime if it is worthwhile several other like products will be developed by then. Until then I already have products will do nicely.
 
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CleanIT said:
How is the ecowash? My initial thought was Gyeon was late to the game and put one together that is likely very good but in a small fancy bottle and overpriced lol. Similar to Ech20?
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Eco Wash is more in line with most RW, $20 for a 1 liter bottle (on sale right now for 17), as opposed to Hero which is $18 for 16oz. I think I said somewhere that I was finally using up some of my collection of RW, but after I posted that I realized I have a bottle of Wolfgang Uber, and of course I have a giant bottle of Ech20. I have been thinking about Eco Wash based on Klasse's (YouTube?) review. Fortunately Optimum sells their RW's in 8oz size to blunt the trauma of buying a new one...or so you don't have so much on hand when the next version comes out.
 
I could be wrong but to me this rinsless is much like DIY's. It can foam if you choose too but you don't have too....?
 
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